From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Nov 17 09:52:57 2023 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (segaloco via TUHS) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:52:57 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] UNIX Release 3.0 vs System III Published Materials? Message-ID: Hello everyone, I've just recently secured an item that has drawn some questions to mind. The item is a "UNIX System III Programmer's Manual Volume 2A" (image from auction listing: https://i.imgur.com/6blnqz3.jpeg). The cover is of a typical 70's Bell System motif, branded Western Electric, with blue and yellow lines and a Bell logo. The cover itself appears to be a typical report cover with a window for the title page of the document. First, I've only seen System III stuff still labeled "Release 3.0." Indeed the manual I have says Release 3.0 on the title page. Also, said manual is Bell Laboratories branded and has the blue and yellow lines near the top, above the cover text but below the Bell Laboratories logotype, an arrangement that can be seen on plenty of Bell Laboratories stuff even into the AT&T period (with the lines being replaced with the blue, red, and black, and death star instead of bell.) With this set, however, it is specifically labeled "System III". I've heard, anecdotally, that there were User's Manuals that specifically had the text "System III" on the title page, but I've never seen this myself. Are there System III branded manuals or am I misremembering. Additionally, this is labeled specifically Western Electric rather than Bell Labs. Western Electric would continue to be the name on the cover of UNIX documentation (for the most part) after this until divestiture. If such formal "System III" manuals exist, which branding did they happen to get? Another curious matter is the document is titled "Programmer's Manual...Volume 2A". This nomenclature is more commonly associated with research than stuff descending more from the PWB line like the commercial lineage. For instance, even PWB 1.0 listed its two main documents as "User's Manual" and "Documents for Use With". Research has always called the document the "Programmer's Manual" as far as I know, and the "Documents for Use With" nomenclature was only used with V6, V7 introduced treating the two sets as "Volumes" of the same larger work. What's interesting is in the sources for System III on the archive, in /usr/src/man/docs, the road_map (Documentation Roadmap) specifically uses the text "User's Manual" and "Documents for UNIX", which is still the case by 4.x (albeit the a_man/u_man split seems to have happened right about this time). In any case, I would be curious if anyone knows what was going on with the naming of documentation at this time. Would this imply that there is some variation on the 3.0/SysIII manual out there named "Programmer's Manual" instead of "User's Manual", or perhaps that for some reason when the Sys III variants of these docs had started being published, they had for some reason tried to cut over to the V7 documentation structure only to back out back to "Documents for UNIX" and a "User's Manual" as distinct things by the time of 4.0? In any case, once this gets here, I'll look it over for anything compelling that might set it apart from the document sources in the UNIX tree. I'm a bit bummed it's only Volume 2A, not both, but it'll be nice to have a physical example of the distributed, published documentation of the time. Maybe a 2B will pop up one of these days. Thanks for any insights or recollections! - Matt G. P.S. Long shot, very long shot, but if anyone on this mailing list has any empty, unused Bell System report covers of the era, Bell Laboratories especially, I would happily buy them from you. I've got my V6 documents and some BSD stuff just in random report covers I fished out of the university recycling, they'd look much nicer in proper covers, but I also recognize the bulk of those covers probably also wound up in some recycling/waste stream decades ago and no longer exist. Once I get this I could use the cover to produce a reasonable facsimile but I feel a tad uneasy regarding "breaking the seal" on that prospect, I don't want to cross the line from improving the aesthetics of my bookshelf to counterfeiting something. From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Nov 24 10:30:42 2023 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey via TUHS) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:30:42 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test Message-ID: Just checking that the TUHS mailing list is still working. It's been awfully quiet! Cheers, Warren From nikke.karlsson at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 10:33:39 2023 From: nikke.karlsson at gmail.com (Niklas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 01:33:39 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ping! I'm still alive! /Niklas Den fre 24 nov. 2023 kl 01:31 skrev Warren Toomey via TUHS : > Just checking that the TUHS mailing list is still working. > It's been awfully quiet! > Cheers, Warren > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpl.jpl at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 10:37:44 2023 From: jpl.jpl at gmail.com (John P. Linderman) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:37:44 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy Thanksgiving. -- jpl On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 7:33 PM Niklas Karlsson wrote: > Ping! I'm still alive! > > /Niklas > > Den fre 24 nov. 2023 kl 01:31 skrev Warren Toomey via TUHS >: > >> Just checking that the TUHS mailing list is still working. >> It's been awfully quiet! >> Cheers, Warren >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From will.senn at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 11:03:20 2023 From: will.senn at gmail.com (Will Senn) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:03:20 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy Thanksgiving! It's working. On 11/23/23 18:30, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote: > Just checking that the TUHS mailing list is still working. > It's been awfully quiet! > Cheers, Warren From stuff at riddermarkfarm.ca Fri Nov 24 11:43:56 2023 From: stuff at riddermarkfarm.ca (Stuff Received) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:43:56 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <585f58fc-8b52-2a25-62ba-e9fcab306ad3@riddermarkfarm.ca> On 2023-11-23 20:03, Will Senn wrote: > Happy Thanksgiving! In the U.S., certainly. Do Auzzies celebrate thanksgiving? S. > It's working. > > On 11/23/23 18:30, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote: >> Just checking that the TUHS mailing list is still working. >> It's been awfully quiet! >> Cheers, Warren > From molly at mamccollum.me Fri Nov 24 12:03:15 2023 From: molly at mamccollum.me (Molly A. McCollum) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 21:03:15 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04ec1263-2f29-4786-89c7-39cbe14633da@mamccollum.me> It is indeed working -- I thought something was up myself due to the low volume. On 11/23/23 19:30, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote: > Just checking that the TUHS mailing list is still working. > It's been awfully quiet! > Cheers, Warren From grog at lemis.com Fri Nov 24 12:20:53 2023 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:20:53 +1100 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: <585f58fc-8b52-2a25-62ba-e9fcab306ad3@riddermarkfarm.ca> References: <585f58fc-8b52-2a25-62ba-e9fcab306ad3@riddermarkfarm.ca> Message-ID: On Thursday, 23 November 2023 at 20:43:56 -0500, Stuff Received wrote: > On 2023-11-23 20:03, Will Senn wrote: >> Happy Thanksgiving! > > In the U.S., certainly. Do Auzzies celebrate thanksgiving? Not really, but if we did, it would have been yesterday. But we do get exposed to Black Friday (today). Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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Norman Wilson Toronto ON From damian at wildie.com Fri Nov 24 12:49:29 2023 From: damian at wildie.com (Damian Wildie) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 12:49:29 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: <23DC55146670C9A2F08EB6A5C09CC5F1.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> References: <23DC55146670C9A2F08EB6A5C09CC5F1.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> Message-ID: <18bff3b77fd.f328e182223967.8674381594894652742@wildie.com> It is Friday in Australia now Kind regards Damian Wildie ---- On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 12:45:46 +1000 Norman Wilson wrote --- Stuff Received: > In the U.S., certainly. Do Auzzies celebrate thanksgiving? Grog: Not really, but if we did, it would have been yesterday. But we do get exposed to Black Friday (today). === Why yesterday? In Canada we had ours a month and a half ago! Norman Wilson Toronto ON -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Norman Wilson Toronto ON, thankfully From grog at lemis.com Fri Nov 24 13:07:23 2023 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 14:07:23 +1100 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: <23DC55146670C9A2F08EB6A5C09CC5F1.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> References: <23DC55146670C9A2F08EB6A5C09CC5F1.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, 23 November 2023 at 21:45:46 -0500, Norman Wilson wrote: > Stuff Received: > >> In the U.S., certainly. Do Auzzies celebrate thanksgiving? > > Grog: > > Not really, but if we did, it would have been yesterday. But we do > get exposed to Black Friday (today). > > === > > Why yesterday? In Canada we had ours a month and a half ago! Yes, sorry, I know. And then there are things like the UK Festival of Harvest Home. But if they were to introduce Thanksgiving here, it would follow the US model. It does presumably have the advantage that companies don't start with their Christmas advertising in early October. 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Well, it doesn't make any sense here, since summer starts next week. But when has that worried people out to make a quick buck? > Does any other country? According to Wikipedia, Norfolk Island comes close. > On the other hand, if Thanksgiving Day actually mattered to anyone > important, the original ctime(3) would have had a special table to > compute its date, including all the different a dates it had in the > US before 1942. Well, I think that ncal(1) would be a better choice nowadays. Sounds like a good project for times of boredom. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wesley On 24/11/23 16:07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 23 November 2023 at 21:45:46 -0500, Norman Wilson wrote: >> Stuff Received: >> >>> In the U.S., certainly. Do Auzzies celebrate thanksgiving? >> Grog: >> >> Not really, but if we did, it would have been yesterday. But we do >> get exposed to Black Friday (today). >> >> === >> >> Why yesterday? In Canada we had ours a month and a half ago! > Yes, sorry, I know. And then there are things like the UK Festival of > Harvest Home. But if they were to introduce Thanksgiving here, it > would follow the US model. It does presumably have the advantage that > companies don't start with their Christmas advertising in early > October. > > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php From dave at horsfall.org Fri Nov 24 15:01:27 2023 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 16:01:27 +1100 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: <23DC55146670C9A2F08EB6A5C09CC5F1.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Nov 2023, Wesley Parish wrote: > Like we in New Zealand now have Halloween? Hallowe'en is an ancient English thing; it's the Yank import of "trick or treat" that got pushed by the marketoids to make another quick buck is what annoys us. -- Dave From wobblygong at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 15:05:52 2023 From: wobblygong at gmail.com (Wesley Parish) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:05:52 +1300 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: <23DC55146670C9A2F08EB6A5C09CC5F1.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> Message-ID: True; but it wasn't a tradition that got imported to the lands downunder with the convicts or the settlers. I used to read about "trick or treat" in the ubiquitous US comic books, but never thought it'd be imported. Wesley On 24/11/23 18:01, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Fri, 24 Nov 2023, Wesley Parish wrote: > >> Like we in New Zealand now have Halloween? > Hallowe'en is an ancient English thing; it's the Yank import of "trick or > treat" that got pushed by the marketoids to make another quick buck is > what annoys us. > > -- Dave From peter.martin.yardley at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 15:12:37 2023 From: peter.martin.yardley at gmail.com (Peter Yardley) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 16:12:37 +1100 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13F703AA-58DB-4D09-8395-97DA10E12F5A@gmail.com> All hallows eve, when the dead are allowed to walk the Earth. Other European cultures have it too, the day of the dead. Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Nov 2023, at 4:01 pm, Dave Horsfall wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2023, Wesley Parish wrote: > >> Like we in New Zealand now have Halloween? > > Hallowe'en is an ancient English thing; it's the Yank import of "trick or > treat" that got pushed by the marketoids to make another quick buck is > what annoys us. > > -- Dave From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Nov 24 15:42:05 2023 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Grant Taylor via TUHS) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 23:42:05 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: <23DC55146670C9A2F08EB6A5C09CC5F1.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> Message-ID: On 11/23/23 21:07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > It does presumably have the advantage that > companies don't start with their Christmas advertising in early > October. Eh ... I'm seeing Christmas start earlier and earlier. There's also Christmas in July, or something like that. -- Grant. . . . From cowan at ccil.org Fri Nov 24 17:04:17 2023 From: cowan at ccil.org (John Cowan) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 02:04:17 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: <13F703AA-58DB-4D09-8395-97DA10E12F5A@gmail.com> References: <13F703AA-58DB-4D09-8395-97DA10E12F5A@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:12 AM Peter Yardley < peter.martin.yardley at gmail.com> wrote: All hallows eve, when the dead are allowed to walk the Earth. Other > European cultures have it too, the day of the dead. The *Day* of the Dead is the 1st of November, All Hallows' Day or All Saints' Day, or the Feast of All Saints, which memorializes all the saints unknown and uncanonized. (The 2nd of November is All Souls' Day or Soulmas, or the Feast of All the Faithful Departed.) The name "Hallowe'en" applies to the night before All Hallows, just like Christmas Eve and Christmas: a hangover from the Jewish calendar, where all holidays begin at sunset on the day before. A friend of mine said to me once "On erev [the day before] Hallowe'en ..." and I interrupted him: "No, no, Hallowe'en is already an erev!" All Saints picked up a lot of energy in Mexico from vaguely similar Aztec traditions. It was then copied to the Philippines, which used to be administered out of Mexico. (Hence the riddle: What happened in the Philippines on December 31st, 1845?" The answer is "Absolutely nothing", because it was skipped when the Philippines transitioned from Mexico time, GMT-6, to its current time zone, GMT+8.) It is even observed as a secular holiday in thoroughly Muslim Indonesia! On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:42 AM Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: There's also Christmas in July, or something like that. Yes, Ymas (as in "the middle of [austral] winter, six months before Xmas". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hellwig.geisse at mni.thm.de Fri Nov 24 18:16:45 2023 From: hellwig.geisse at mni.thm.de (Hellwig Geisse) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 09:16:45 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46d52de4126bd77af393645c59d66d50fe455bcd.camel@mni.thm.de> On Thu, 2023-11-23 at 21:58 -0500, Norman Wilson wrote: > > I just don't understand why, if Australia had a Thanksgiving > Day, they would choose to have it on the same day as the US. > Does any other country? > In Germany it's called "Erntedankfest", on the first Sunday in October. Hellwig From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Nov 24 18:18:20 2023 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 09:18:20 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: (Greg Lehey's message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:20:53 +1100") References: <585f58fc-8b52-2a25-62ba-e9fcab306ad3@riddermarkfarm.ca> Message-ID: Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: > But we do get exposed to Black Friday (today). As do we, silly as it is. In fact, while the marketing frenzy is peaking right now, "black weeks" began here in Norway a week or so ago, and goes on until the end of the month, when Christmas takes over for real. Before this "black" silliness, we had "singles week", because the marketeers had discovered the Chinese "singles' day", and imported that. -tih -- Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay From usotsuki at buric.co Fri Nov 24 18:22:13 2023 From: usotsuki at buric.co (Steve Nickolas) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 03:22:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: <13F703AA-58DB-4D09-8395-97DA10E12F5A@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Nov 2023, John Cowan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:12 AM Peter Yardley < > peter.martin.yardley at gmail.com> wrote: > > The *Day* of the Dead is the 1st of November, All Hallows' Day or All > Saints' Day, or the Feast of All Saints, which memorializes all the saints > unknown and uncanonized. (The 2nd of November is All Souls' Day or > Soulmas, or the Feast of All the Faithful Departed.) I thought the Day of the Dead was equivalent to All Souls' Day, rather than All Saints' Day. -uso. From arnold at skeeve.com Fri Nov 24 18:24:34 2023 From: arnold at skeeve.com (arnold at skeeve.com) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 01:24:34 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: <585f58fc-8b52-2a25-62ba-e9fcab306ad3@riddermarkfarm.ca> Message-ID: <202311240824.3AO8OYuA006998@freefriends.org> "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" wrote: > On Thursday, 23 November 2023 at 20:43:56 -0500, Stuff Received wrote: > > On 2023-11-23 20:03, Will Senn wrote: > >> Happy Thanksgiving! > > > > In the U.S., certainly. Do Auzzies celebrate thanksgiving? > > Not really, but if we did, it would have been yesterday. But we do > get exposed to Black Friday (today). In the past decade or so, Israel too has started having Black Friday. It seems that all the silly stuff in the US gets picked up here too. :-( Arnold From will.senn at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 00:01:42 2023 From: will.senn at gmail.com (Will Senn) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:01:42 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: <585f58fc-8b52-2a25-62ba-e9fcab306ad3@riddermarkfarm.ca> Message-ID: On 11/23/23 20:20, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 23 November 2023 at 20:43:56 -0500, Stuff Received wrote: >> On 2023-11-23 20:03, Will Senn wrote: >>> Happy Thanksgiving! >> In the U.S., certainly. Do Auzzies celebrate thanksgiving? > Not really, but if we did, it would have been yesterday. But we do > get exposed to Black Friday (today). > > Greg > -- Well, I'd wish y'all a happy black friday, but there's something off in that. Enjoy the day - shopping? I think not. I'll have a serving of turkey, cornbread stuffing, cranberry sauce, candied yams, green bean casserole, pumpkin pie, and whatever else is left over and be thankful for our holiday :). Will From will.senn at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 00:06:25 2023 From: will.senn at gmail.com (Will Senn) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:06:25 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: <46d52de4126bd77af393645c59d66d50fe455bcd.camel@mni.thm.de> References: <46d52de4126bd77af393645c59d66d50fe455bcd.camel@mni.thm.de> Message-ID: <4d39f7fd-aa85-429b-9276-2c115b5d3d08@gmail.com> On 11/24/23 02:16, Hellwig Geisse wrote: > On Thu, 2023-11-23 at 21:58 -0500, Norman Wilson wrote: >> I just don't understand why, if Australia had a Thanksgiving >> Day, they would choose to have it on the same day as the US. >> Does any other country? >> > In Germany it's called "Erntedankfest", > on the first Sunday in October. > > Hellwig Happy belated Erntedankfest :). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steffen at sdaoden.eu Sat Nov 25 05:41:37 2023 From: steffen at sdaoden.eu (Steffen Nurpmeso) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 20:41:37 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: <4d39f7fd-aa85-429b-9276-2c115b5d3d08@gmail.com> References: <46d52de4126bd77af393645c59d66d50fe455bcd.camel@mni.thm.de> <4d39f7fd-aa85-429b-9276-2c115b5d3d08@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20231124194137.XQKAUc9i@steffen%sdaoden.eu> Will Senn wrote in <4d39f7fd-aa85-429b-9276-2c115b5d3d08 at gmail.com>: |On 11/24/23 02:16, Hellwig Geisse wrote: |> On Thu, 2023-11-23 at 21:58 -0500, Norman Wilson wrote: |>> I just don't understand why, if Australia had a Thanksgiving |>> Day, they would choose to have it on the same day as the US. |>> Does any other country? |>> |> In Germany it's called "Erntedankfest", |> on the first Sunday in October. |> |> Hellwig |Happy belated Erntedankfest :). |On 11/24/23 02:16, Hellwig Geisse wrote: | ||On Thu, 2023-11-23 at 21:58 -0500, Norman Wilson wrote: | |||I just don't understand why, if Australia had a Thanksgiving |||Day, they would choose to have it on the same day as the US. |||Does any other country? | ||In Germany it's called "Erntedankfest", ||on the first Sunday in October. | ||Hellwig | |Happy belated Erntedankfest :). Not much no more except in the church, which is not much more either. But of course for some. Ie many put their heart and free time into social work there. Regarding Halloween -- i live only about a kilometre, but not much more (by air) away from Burg Frankenstein (actually a ruin), and when i was young with all those many, many Americans in the Rhein- Main-Gebiet (south of Frankfurt/Main .. air base, plus Ramstein Airbase, plus Spangdahlem, .. and more, all not far away, plus at least three bases inside Darmstadt where i live itself) they celebrated that. Maybe hundred or more busses parking (at Pfungstadt railway station due to space constraints i'd say). Unfortunately, now that the Americans are mostly gone, they started to "eventize" that. Some money making for "hungry" students and such, i once passed by an "instruction" of paid ones via bike (they were "biting" already). I personally: NO. 'Don't like that, even though it is mayb fun for the kids. But unfortunately we all forget our own history, and that is funny female witches enthusiastically riding their broom in the night to May 1st, which i find a much more sympathic and life fostering event. Of course -- for all you reading this enthusiastic female witches riding brooms is such a thing of the past that it almost is forgotten. [I hope political correctness does not read too much in that "female", i mean something along those many choices all the long way to the "male" counterpart.] But nonetheless, the vision alone i find much more sympathic. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) From steffen at sdaoden.eu Sat Nov 25 05:55:49 2023 From: steffen at sdaoden.eu (Steffen Nurpmeso) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 20:55:49 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: <20231124194137.XQKAUc9i@steffen%sdaoden.eu> References: <46d52de4126bd77af393645c59d66d50fe455bcd.camel@mni.thm.de> <4d39f7fd-aa85-429b-9276-2c115b5d3d08@gmail.com> <20231124194137.XQKAUc9i@steffen%sdaoden.eu> Message-ID: <20231124195549.JnO6yFSW@steffen%sdaoden.eu> Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in <20231124194137.XQKAUc9i at steffen%sdaoden.eu>: |Will Senn wrote in | <4d39f7fd-aa85-429b-9276-2c115b5d3d08 at gmail.com>: ||On 11/24/23 02:16, Hellwig Geisse wrote: ||> On Thu, 2023-11-23 at 21:58 -0500, Norman Wilson wrote: ... ||> In Germany it's called "Erntedankfest", ||> on the first Sunday in October. ... |for the kids. But unfortunately we all forget our own history, |and that is funny female witches enthusiastically riding their |broom in the night to May 1st, which i find a much more sympathic |and life fostering event. Walpurgisnacht that is. And shall you search Google out of interest: i see pictures of people who reuse their Halloween costume. That is not how it was when i was young. (Though a normal witch can look quite scary by itself; ie from famous omnipresent pictures i think Helena Bonham Carter played such a one, she was capable to get it from somewhere inside out.) We also have a quite famous teenage girl witch, Bibi Blocksberg i think ... witches can be good, too! That "Blocksberg" seems to come from the German mountain where, and everybody (used to) know(s) that, they make huge fires and celebrate all the night to May 1st: the "Brocken" in the Harz mountains. Ie block+mountain, and brocken=chunk. (Just in case someone would actually search.) (Other than that it seems to me, from bicycle rides, that the American tradition of eating those poor ugly birds has not truly ended up as a German one. We had some farmers with those birds running on green soil, in the Odenwald where i drive, but no more now. I have not seen them in the last couple of years, at least. Special thanksgiving meals i cannot recall belong to us here?) --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) From bakul at iitbombay.org Sat Nov 25 08:11:20 2023 From: bakul at iitbombay.org (Bakul Shah) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 14:11:20 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] Test, test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <868D19CA-69E4-4CA3-999A-81F714976200@iitbombay.org> On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:30 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote: > > Just checking that the TUHS mailing list is still working. > It's been awfully quiet! > Cheers, Warren There seem to be fewer and fewer messages on all the mailing lists I have subscribed to. Seems to be a general phenomenon. May be a topic for some social scientist to explore.... From arnold at skeeve.com Sun Nov 26 18:21:33 2023 From: arnold at skeeve.com (arnold at skeeve.com) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 01:21:33 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] OT: Updates to One True Awk Message-ID: <202311260821.3AQ8LXHQ030069@freefriends.org> Hi. If anyone is interested (*BSD committers, I'm looking at you :-), there have recently been some updates in the One True Awk (BWK's) which you should pick up. In particular, regular expression matching performance against Unicode text should now be tolerable. Feel free to ping me off list if you need more info; let's not spam the list. Thanks, Arnold From tuhs at tuhs.org Tue Nov 28 14:05:17 2023 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (segaloco via TUHS) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 04:05:17 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Some New Scans Message-ID: I'm finally back to my scan pile and have a few to share: https://archive.org/details/unix-system-document-processing-guide First is the UNIX System Document Processing Guide. This is the version of the TROFF et. al. documentation distributed for Release 5.0 as well as the initial release of System V. This contains the expected papers on NROFF/TROFF, MM, Eqn, Tbl, and other bits and pieces like viewgraph macros. These documents appear to be revisions of the various technical memoranda distributed as UNIX papers over time. I think this just leaves the Support Tools Guide as far as unscanned initial System V documents. I have this so just need to get it on my scanner and then the initial System V documentation run should be completely preserved out there on the net. https://archive.org/details/we-november-december-1981 Second is a copy of WE Magazine from November-December 1981. Distributed to Western Electric employees, this issue of the magazine has a cover story on the installation of the very first central office 5ESS in Seneca, Illinois on July 1st, 1981. The piece goes into some local reactions to installation day, some technical details of 5ESS, and has some nice pictures of the unit being unloaded and moved into place. There are additional articles concerning Nassau Metals, ISSMs, and some goings on around the company. https://archive.org/details/attached-processor-interface-3b-1a Finally is the "Attached Processor Interface", a small Western Electric pamphlet detailing an interface for incorporating 3B processors into existing 1A offices such as 4ESS and 1AESS. As with other applications of the 3B to telephony, DMERT features as the operating system, although the pamphlet is mostly concerned with the installation and diagnostic aspects of working with the interface. By the way, the original text is all green, but I scanned all but the covers in B/W. The last one is interesting in that it's an integration of the 3B into a telephone central office that isn't a 5ESS, rather, you wind up with something more like a 4.5ESS, a 4ESS with a 3B up in it somewhere. However, given the date of November 1981, this postdates the installation of that first 5ESS, making it less likely that this was some embryonic step before the 5ESS and more likely a retrofit designed to get more 3Bs into service in older offices. That this was 1A general was interesting too, that is why a 1AESS could absorb it, meaning there very well could've been frankenstein central offices out there with a 1ESS that got retrofitted with a 1A and then got retrofitted further with an API and a 3B, making one of the monstrosities this pamphlet suggests installing. It's too bad there's a snowball's chance in hell of one of these "API" units popping up out there, much less still mated to its 1A and 3B...but a guy can dream. Anywho, going to start a slow trickle of scans again now that I've got my office all settled. I'm foraying further and further into telephones so my document hunting these days lands closer to ESS and 1A2 KTS than UNIX, but I'm still keeping an eye out for whatever I can manage to preserve. That all said, that also means my "accepted for scan" circle has gotten larger, as I'm now seeking other 70s-early 80s Bell System stuff generally, not strictly UNIX things, so if you've got some obscure Dimension PBX manual collecting dust I'll happily scan it for ya! - Matt G. From jacob.ritorto at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 11:01:02 2023 From: jacob.ritorto at gmail.com (Jacob Ritorto) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:01:02 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] ULTRIX-11 Network Revamp Message-ID: The network code in ULTRIX-11 v3.1 dies on me a lot and the scripts to set it up assume classed subnets still. Would anyone want to work with me to revamp it? I kind of need a mentor in such things but "used to be" a decent c programmer. Large ask, I know. I think the first thing would be to troubleshoot it enough to understand what's breaking (which I dont know know enough ULTRIX to do myself, but would probably pick it up quick with the company of an expert), then to replace the ailing pieces of code. Should be a reasonable scope for someone here, I bet. Over my head. But I'm happy to do all the housekeeping / gruntwork / announcing, documenting, etc. and I'm eager to learn your techniques! thanks! jake P.S. If this belongs not on this list but somewhere like cctalk, please say so and I'll take it there instead. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: