<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Whoops, my bad, hadn't considered NCR in this train of thought.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">And it sounds like the Nokia stream is a compelling direction, what with the 3B20 emulation and all that, it was a telecom processor after all. Glad to see I'm not just stumped, that it can be a little unclear.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">- Matt G.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">P.S. I realize my last P.S. may be more opinion oriented and/or controversial..just wanna recognize that oversight, no harm intended, different discussion for a different time</div>
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On Sunday, September 10th, 2023 at 6:43 PM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 9:11 PM segaloco via TUHS <<a href="mailto:tuhs@tuhs.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">tuhs@tuhs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Is there a clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have those waters grown even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after AT&T proper?</span></blockquote><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">I have never seen an unofficial, much less an official, reckoning, but if you discover/unearth something, it will be interesting to read. </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">That said, you left out one piece of history. Please remember that AT&T bought NCR in the mid-1980s (and eventually spun it off a few years later). The UNIX HW development was moved into the new division of the old NCR, including the 3B series work, the WE32000, and some other semiconductor IPs.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">FWIW: That occurred when I consulted for NCR's Chief Architect (Lee Hovel) in the mid-late 80s (I did some of the analysis for Lee on what IP was there). But that all settled out after my contract expired, so I don't know how it finally settled - other than I'm reasonably sure that most of the 3B and chip development reported up through an ex-NCR exec after purchase. Those teams and their associated IP were folded into things like the old NCR semi-conductor, NCR Computer, <i>etc</i>.. IIRC Also, a few NCR communications products were moved out of the old NCR team and into the old WE folks.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">So .... I would not be surprised if when NCR was later spun back out, some of the old AT&T IP (such as the computer HW and chip IP) went with them, just as when Novell was sold the UNIX SW IP. Of course, later, Lucent, ney Alcatel, ney Nokia - got the communications IP. </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"> </span></div></div></div><div style="max-height:1px"><img style="width:0px;max-height:0px;overflow:hidden" alt="" src="https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aY2xlbWNAY2NjLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=139295ee-a96c-493d-9572-68fa5d4cec70"><font size="1" color="#ffffff">ᐧ</font></div>
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