<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Yes - I send a fairly detailed history, including pics but Warren's mailer did not allow them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Here is the short form:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">ber did two printings of 4.1 [white/without and later, with BTL covers], the second printing had the Marx supplement.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">ber helped to facilitate the 4.2 printing with the BSD daemons - although USENIX bankrolled it and did the distribution.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I do not know for sure who the editor for the 4.3 [colored combs + BSD daemons] was [I think Keith, with help from Mike and Sam], but USENIX and CSRG did that printing. and the distribution.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">By the time of 4.4, USENIX approached Tim OReilly who used his own printing, and binding set up - hence "perfect binding" not combs.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Clem</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 2:42 PM Mary Ann Horton <<a href="mailto:mah@mhorton.net">mah@mhorton.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>My vol 2C is comb bound with the Bell logo on the front and back
cover.</p>
<p>It matches what Matt describes below: Date November 1980,
hand-written part 55 (Curses) on TOC, Curses included.</p>
<p>I personally wrote "4.1 BSD Vol 2C" on the spine of my comb
version, and "4.1 BSD Vol 1" on the spine of the other comb bound,
which were clearly a set. (We were expected to use the V7 vol 2a
and 2b, as they were not changed.) Vol 1's title page is dated
June, 1981". The preface of Vol 1 adds 3 paragraphs beginning
"This update to the fourth distribution of November, 1980 provides
support for the VAX 11/750 and for the full interconnect
architecture of the VAX 11/780. ..." This paragraph is not dated
but would seem to be from June 1981.</p>
<p>I don't recall who ran the set of manuals in Bell Labs, but it
wasn't done at Columbus. Someone was kind enough to send me a set.<br>
</p>
<p>I'm inclined to believe Matt is right about vol 2C not being
updated except by pencil and the Curses section.</p>
<p>Interestingly, I also have a "UNIX 3.0 Vol 1" comb bound manual
with the same style of cover, same personal spine label, probably
done at the same time, likely by the same group. I don't recall
who but I'll speculate it was someone at MH or WH. Possibly Brian
Redman?<br>
</p>
<div>Thanks,
<p>
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<i>Mary Ann Horton</i> (she/her/ma'am)
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<a href="https://maryannhorton.com" target="_blank">maryannhorton.com</a>
<br>
<p>
“This is a great book about an amazing journey of a
woman
<br>
who went through hell to become the person she is
today.”
<br>
<b> - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag</b>
</p>
<p>
"Brave and Important - Don’t miss this wonderful book!"
<br>
<b> - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.</b>
</p>
<p>
Available on Amazon and <a href="http://bn.com" target="_blank">bn.com</a>. Audiobook on
Google Play.
</p>
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<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Trailblazer-Lighting-Transgender-Equality-Corporate-ebook/dp/B0B8F2BR9B" target="_blank">
<img src="https://maryannhorton.com/trailblazer-azthumb.jpg" width="83" height="125" align="right">
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<div>On 10/14/23 22:49, segaloco wrote:<br>
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<div>One thing worth noting, I think, not sure, but I think the
contents suggest the 4BSD rather than 4.1BSD set, I can't tell
for certain because I actually can't locate a 4.1BSD doc folder
with the Volume 2C intro and TOC. The physical article (as well
as a Acco binder copy I also have) both indicate November 1980
(as opposed to 4.1BSDs June 1981.) Curiously, the comb bound one
has one extra entry in the TOC written in by hand: the curses
paper. Indeed it is the last in the comb bound manual and not
present in my Acco-bound copy.</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Not
conclusive of anything but just an observation, I can't track
down an authoritatively-sourced copy of the doc/vmunix folder
where the original of the TOC lives in 4BSD. The 4BSD typesetter
sources of the TOC match what is in both copies I have, minus
the hand-written curses inclusion.</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It
very well could be the Volume 2C version of the TOC stopped
being maintained around this time as I likewise don't see the
doc/vmunix folder in 4.1c or 4.2. Either way, just something I
found odd, I can't 100% confirm parity with what would be in
/usr/doc on a standard 4.1BSD distro, I'll have to go digging
and see what I have though, I feel like I archived away some
4.1BSD stuff I found somewhere that had some delta with what is
in the UNIX tree. Not going to draw any firm conclusions until I
put eyes on doc sources though. That said, it wouldn't surprise
me if the manual amounts to more of a "4.0b", being the 4BSD set
with some incremental changes towards 4.1. But again, nothing to
back that up, just my initial impression.</div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">-
Matt G.</div>
<div> ------- Original Message -------<br>
On Saturday, October 14th, 2023 at 8:19 PM, Mary Ann Horton
<a href="mailto:mah@mhorton.net" target="_blank"><mah@mhorton.net></a> wrote:<br>
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<p>I checked my bookshelf - my 4.1BSD manuals are the same
Bell Labs printing as the two Worthpoint links below. AFAIK
they are a vanilla printing of the soft copy from the 4.1
BSD tape.</p>
<p>If there is any value to documenting this further, please
let me know.<br>
</p>
<div>Thanks,
<p>
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<p> “This is a great book about an amazing journey
of a woman <br>
who went through hell to become the person she is
today.” <br>
<b> - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender
flag</b> </p>
<p> "Brave and Important - Don’t miss this wonderful
book!" <br>
<b> - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.</b>
</p>
<p> Available on Amazon and <a href="http://bn.com" target="_blank">bn.com</a>. Audiobook on
Google Play. </p>
</td>
<td> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Trailblazer-Lighting-Transgender-Equality-Corporate-ebook/dp/B0B8F2BR9B" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"> <img src="https://maryannhorton.com/trailblazer-azthumb.jpg" width="83" height="125" align="right"> </a> </td>
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<div>On 10/9/23 19:11, Jonathan Gray
wrote:<br>
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<pre>On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 04:17:36PM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
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<pre>Spotted this and ordered it on eBay <a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/235246689392" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/235246689392</a>
After the link is a pretty nondescript comb-bound 4.1BSD User's
Manual Volume 2C. I don't think I've seen comb-bound issues prior
to the USENIX 4.2BSD set that introduced the Beastie cover. Does
anyone know if there was a limited run produced by the Berkeley
folks themselves or if this is more likely a one-off someone printed
for themselves? Either way, this is an exciting find for the
completeness of my library, this would leave 3BSD as the only VAX
BSD version I don't have any Volume 2C papers in my bookshelf from.
If this does prove to be issue from Berkeley or someone directly
adjacent to them, the next thing I hope to figure out is if this
has Volume 1 and Volume 2A/2B companions. I find myself curious
because the 4BSD Volume 2C I have was following a plain Jane Version
7 Volume 2A/2B rather than also 4BSD 2A/2B, so whoever curated that
set either got them that way or clobbered V7 and 4BSD docs together
themselves.
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<pre>Brian Ehrmantraut's photo has two 4.1BSD volumes:
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/internetoldfarts/posts/722465582733996/" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/internetoldfarts/posts/722465582733996/</a>
Link from when the Wollongong Group version of the commentary was
mentioned here.
There was a Bell Laboratories printing of the 4.1BSD manuals.
<a href="https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1981-bell-laboratories-unix-users-1947580163" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1981-bell-laboratories-unix-users-1947580163</a>
<a href="https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1980-bell-laboratories-unix-1947578308" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1980-bell-laboratories-unix-1947578308</a>
A list of documents included with the distribution can be found in
doc/vmunix/cover*. Below text from 4.1a.tar.gz included in the CSRG
Archives.
July 8, 1981
This is a full distribution kit for the second release of
the Fourth Berkeley software tape, known as 4.1bsd. The
package you received should have contained:
1) Either a 2400' 1600 bpi magnetic tape or two RK07 disk
cartridges containing the basic system software; this
is the bootstrap distribution media. A second 2400'
1600 bpi tape or a third RK07 disk cartridge contains
additional material beyond the basic system on the
first tape (INGRES, source for documents in the
manuals, bit mapped fonts, etc.)
2) Documents titled ``Installing and operating 4.1bsd'',
``Bug fixes and changes in 4.1bsd'', ``Changes to the
kernel in 4.1bsd'', and ``Hints on configuring VAX
systems for UNIX''
3) A two sided copy of volume 1 of the programmer's
manual.
4) A single sided, reproduction-quality copy of Volume 1
of the programmer's manual for the system.
5) A copy of a document describing fsck.
6) A two sided copy of volumes 2a and 2b of the
programmer's manual.
7) A single sided, reproduction-quality, copy of Volume 2c
of the programmer's manual for the system.
8) 2 Vi Reference Cards and a master for reproducing
cards.
9) Three documents describing the Berkeley Network.
10) Two documents on the internals of the Pascal system.
manual and a new table of contents for volume 2c.
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