<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thank Charlie.  But I just threw up after I read it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Sadly, UNIX's "prime directive" was to "keep it simple."  Or, as someone else describes it, create "small tools that did one job well." On the PDP-11, the lack of address space somewhat enforced this. With the 32-bit vax, we see cat -v and the like. I think "frameworks" are just a modern term for IBM's "access methods" of the 1960s. John Lions observed that the entire documentation set for UNIX V6 could be kept in a 3-ring binder, and, as his book showed, given the size, anyone could understand all of the kernel and the core systems ideas.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">FWIW, Linux is not the first to fail. Years ago, I pointed out to Dennis that the System V Release 3 bootloader for the 3B was larger than the entire V6 kernel. I  have not looked at the size of systemd, but do you want to bet that it fails the same test?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">But I digress. Someone (Henry Spencer, maybe) once said, "Good Taste is subjective. I have it, and you don't seem to." </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">IMO systemd, was >>not<< a net positive - it falls so many of these tests WRT to good programming and good ideas.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Sigh ...<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Clem</div><div hspace="streak-pt-mark" style="max-height:1px"><img alt="" style="width:0px;max-height:0px;overflow:hidden" src="https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aY2xlbWNAY2NjLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=fb4567e0-c4d8-445f-b2d6-7d21f5e53790"><font color="#ffffff" size="1">ᐧ</font></div></div><div hspace="streak-pt-mark" style="max-height:1px"><img alt="" style="width:0px;max-height:0px;overflow:hidden" src="https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aY2xlbWNAY2NjLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=d84b0c8f-9db6-43bd-bb1e-ad8078358834"><font color="#ffffff" size="1">ᐧ</font></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 10:56 AM Charles H Sauer (he/him) <<a href="mailto:sauer@technologists.com" target="_blank">sauer@technologists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/13/version_256_systemd/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/13/version_256_systemd/</a><br>
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I don't see the boast at <br>
<a href="https://github.com/systemd/systemd/releases/tag/v256" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/systemd/systemd/releases/tag/v256</a>, but ...<br>
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Charlie<br>
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