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    We had just a little more than 60 people involved in<br>
    the /usr/group effort, with David Buck, Don Kretsch<br>
    and Eric Petersen as co-editors. The IEEE POSIX <br>
    POSIX standards effort had hundreds of participants.<br>
    But we did have all of the major companies involved<br>
    in the UNIX market participating.<br>
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    Heinz<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/27/2024 7:34 AM, Clem Cole wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at
            7:59 AM Dan Cross <<a href="mailto:crossd@gmail.com"
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            A way to verify this would be to look for attendee lists
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            POSIX meetings, though I'm having trouble locating them. </blockquote>
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                color="#0000ff">I was the original editor (more in a
                minute), and I believe I have an early draft on my
                Masscomp machine, which is currently not powered up.</font></div>
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                color="#0000ff">I'll try to add it to my to-do list to
                bring this online. The first section has an attendee
                list.</font></div>
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                color="#0000ff">I also have (in a box in my attic) some
                of the original handouts, including minutes.  That is
                already on my to-do list.</font></div>
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            initial<span class="gmail_default"
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            turned up this document, a 1995 retrospective from Hal<br>
            Jespersen, where he credits Stallman for coining the name
            "POSIX":<br>
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              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/210308.210313</a>.<br>
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          <div><font color="#0000ff"><span class="gmail_default"
                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I just
                read it. Much is correct, but that document has numerous
                errors, including the transition from /usr/group to IEEE
                (which Heinz and I were involved in - Hal was not).
                I'll </span><span
                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">send a
                number of updates/corrections later.<span
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                  style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> For
                  instance, the C standard was not related to the UNIX
                  standard and was not originally championed by
                  /usr/group - but rather the PC-based folks.</span></span></font></div>
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                  style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Remember,
                  this document came about before the age of laptops. We
                  made changes and suggestions during the meetings. </span></span></font><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)">The
              /usr/group document was edited offline<span
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                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> after
                the meetings</span> (Heinz may remember who did that
              work).<span class="gmail_default"
                style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">  We
                started the same process by the time we transitioned to
                IEEE.  Since the meetings were originally held currently
                with a /usr/group // UNIForum or USENIX event, they were
                always near one of the Masscomp field offices.  I told
                Jim that I could (and did) arrange for a loaner 
                Masscomp system with a number of Wyse-60 terminals to be
                there for our meeting.</span></span></div>
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                color="#0000ff">By the way, Jim was worried that all
                documents were following the IEEE rules of being
                numbered and correctly indexed. But by editing at the
                meeting and starting with the /usr/group document, we
                did turn it into an IEEE-style draft in under
                two years.  As a result, I ended up as the defacto
                editor for the first few drafts.  As I said, I believe I
                have an early copy (in troff, of course) on my Masscomp
                box.</font></div>
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