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We had just a little more than 60 people involved in<br>
the /usr/group effort, with David Buck, Don Kretsch<br>
and Eric Petersen as co-editors. The IEEE POSIX <br>
POSIX standards effort had hundreds of participants.<br>
But we did have all of the major companies involved<br>
in the UNIX market participating.<br>
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Heinz<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/27/2024 7:34 AM, Clem Cole wrote:<br>
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A way to verify this would be to look for attendee lists
from early<br>
POSIX meetings, though I'm having trouble locating them. </blockquote>
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color="#0000ff">I was the original editor (more in a
minute), and I believe I have an early draft on my
Masscomp machine, which is currently not powered up.</font></div>
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color="#0000ff">I'll try to add it to my to-do list to
bring this online. The first section has an attendee
list.</font></div>
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color="#0000ff">I also have (in a box in my attic) some
of the original handouts, including minutes. That is
already on my to-do list.</font></div>
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initial<span class="gmail_default"
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turned up this document, a 1995 retrospective from Hal<br>
Jespersen, where he credits Stallman for coining the name
"POSIX":<br>
<a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/210308.210313"
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<div><font color="#0000ff"><span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I just
read it. Much is correct, but that document has numerous
errors, including the transition from /usr/group to IEEE
(which Heinz and I were involved in - Hal was not).
I'll </span><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">send a
number of updates/corrections later.<span
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> For
instance, the C standard was not related to the UNIX
standard and was not originally championed by
/usr/group - but rather the PC-based folks.</span></span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#0000ff"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Remember,
this document came about before the age of laptops. We
made changes and suggestions during the meetings. </span></span></font><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)">The
/usr/group document was edited offline<span
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> after
the meetings</span> (Heinz may remember who did that
work).<span class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> We
started the same process by the time we transitioned to
IEEE. Since the meetings were originally held currently
with a /usr/group // UNIForum or USENIX event, they were
always near one of the Masscomp field offices. I told
Jim that I could (and did) arrange for a loaner
Masscomp system with a number of Wyse-60 terminals to be
there for our meeting.</span></span></div>
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color="#0000ff">By the way, Jim was worried that all
documents were following the IEEE rules of being
numbered and correctly indexed. But by editing at the
meeting and starting with the /usr/group document, we
did turn it into an IEEE-style draft in under
two years. As a result, I ended up as the defacto
editor for the first few drafts. As I said, I believe I
have an early copy (in troff, of course) on my Masscomp
box.</font></div>
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