From tuhs at tuhs.org Tue Sep 2 22:49:02 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Arnold Robbins via TUHS) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2025 06:49:02 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Brian Kernighan's talk on the history of Unix at VCF East this year Message-ID: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Hi All. My brother sent me the link to this article: https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-distros-and-nixos/ IMHO you should skip over the article and move to the video at the end of it. I always enjoy listening to him. Enjoy, Arnold From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 3 09:39:03 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Will Senn via TUHS) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 18:39:03 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Python Documentary Message-ID: <042da406-62ee-46f3-8b66-98976a87a66a@gmail.com> All, I know my language pals are all over this, but in case you hadn't been paying attention, python's riding ascendant these days and I would argue, unix played a big role in the birthing of this language. It's fingerprints are all over it, so to speak. A documentary came out the other day and it's very worth watching - the overlap with unix's latter days is evident, even though it's very much about the language. Here's the link, enjoy (or grumble, the choice is yours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfH4QL4VqJ0 Will -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 3 11:42:05 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Larry McVoy via TUHS) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 18:42:05 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Brian Kernighan's talk on the history of Unix at VCF East this year In-Reply-To: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: <20250903014205.GQ21837@mcvoy.com> Brian at 83 is better than me at 50 (I'm 63 and even worse). What an amazing guy. On Tue, Sep 02, 2025 at 06:49:02AM -0600, Arnold Robbins via TUHS wrote: > Hi All. > > My brother sent me the link to this article: > https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-distros-and-nixos/ > > IMHO you should skip over the article and move to the video at the end of > it. I always enjoy listening to him. > > Enjoy, > > Arnold -- --- Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 3 17:39:52 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Diomidis Spinellis via TUHS) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 10:39:52 +0300 Subject: [TUHS] Who came up with the spell check pipeline? In-Reply-To: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: In Brian Kernighan's amazing VCF talk that Arnold Robbins shared yesterday, bwk mentions that Steve N[uancen?] came up with the famous spell checking pipeline: cat | tr | sort | uniq | comm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb_YL1K1Qg&t=1396s Anybody knows the correct name of that person? ChatGPT only hallucinates many wrong ones. Many thanks, Diomidis - https://www.spinellis.gr From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 3 17:56:55 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Jonathan Gray via TUHS) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 17:56:55 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Who came up with the spell check pipeline? In-Reply-To: References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 10:39:52AM +0300, Diomidis Spinellis via TUHS wrote: > In Brian Kernighan's amazing VCF talk that Arnold Robbins shared yesterday, > bwk mentions that Steve N[uancen?] came up with the famous spell checking > pipeline: cat | tr | sort | uniq | comm > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb_YL1K1Qg&t=1396s > > Anybody knows the correct name of that person? ChatGPT only hallucinates > many wrong ones. "The spell script originated with Steve Johnson." >From page 149 of Brian's book, UNIX: A History and a Memoir. An example script is on page 150. From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 3 20:03:33 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Nikos Vasilakis via TUHS) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 06:03:33 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Who came up with the spell check pipeline? In-Reply-To: References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: El mié, 3 sept 2025 a la(s) 3:57 a.m., Jonathan Gray via TUHS (tuhs at tuhs.org) escribió: > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 10:39:52AM +0300, Diomidis Spinellis via TUHS wrote: > > In Brian Kernighan's amazing VCF talk that Arnold Robbins shared yesterday, > > bwk mentions that Steve N[uancen?] came up with the famous spell checking > > pipeline: cat | tr | sort | uniq | comm > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb_YL1K1Qg&t=1396s > > > > Anybody knows the correct name of that person? ChatGPT only hallucinates > > many wrong ones. > > "The spell script originated with Steve Johnson." > From page 149 of Brian's book, UNIX: A History and a Memoir. > An example script is on page 150. Also: "Steve Johnson wrote the first version of the spell in an afternoon in 1975." from an older reference, Jon Bentley's "Programming Pearls: A spelling Checker" (CACM, May 1st, 1985), which offers additional analysis of this program (and is openly accessible): https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3532.315102 N. From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 3 21:44:48 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Jonathan Gray via TUHS) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 21:44:48 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Who came up with the spell check pipeline? In-Reply-To: References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 06:03:33AM -0400, Nikos Vasilakis via TUHS wrote: > El mié, 3 sept 2025 a la(s) 3:57 a.m., Jonathan Gray via TUHS > (tuhs at tuhs.org) escribió: > > > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 10:39:52AM +0300, Diomidis Spinellis via TUHS wrote: > > > In Brian Kernighan's amazing VCF talk that Arnold Robbins shared yesterday, > > > bwk mentions that Steve N[uancen?] came up with the famous spell checking > > > pipeline: cat | tr | sort | uniq | comm > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb_YL1K1Qg&t=1396s > > > > > > Anybody knows the correct name of that person? ChatGPT only hallucinates > > > many wrong ones. > > > > "The spell script originated with Steve Johnson." > > From page 149 of Brian's book, UNIX: A History and a Memoir. > > An example script is on page 150. > > Also: "Steve Johnson wrote the first version of the spell in an > afternoon in 1975." from an older reference, Jon Bentley's > "Programming Pearls: A spelling Checker" (CACM, May 1st, 1985), which > offers additional analysis of this program (and is openly accessible): > https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3532.315102 > > N. The spell manual page from fifth edition is dated 2/26/74. The script was not distributed with fifth or six edition as far as I can tell. Seventh edition has Doug's C version. From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 3 22:53:16 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Dan Cross via TUHS) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 08:53:16 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Who came up with the spell check pipeline? In-Reply-To: References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 3:47 AM Diomidis Spinellis via TUHS wrote: > In Brian Kernighan's amazing VCF talk that Arnold Robbins shared > yesterday, bwk mentions that Steve N[uancen?] came up with the famous > spell checking pipeline: cat | tr | sort | uniq | comm > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb_YL1K1Qg&t=1396s > > Anybody knows the correct name of that person? ChatGPT only > hallucinates many wrong ones. As others have pointed out, it was Steve Johnson. I wanted to mention that he did say Steve Johnson in the video as well, though I can see how one might (mis)hear differently; I think that's just an artifact of the audio. - Dan C. From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 4 00:38:34 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Heinz Lycklama via TUHS) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 07:38:34 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Who came up with the spell check pipeline? In-Reply-To: References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: <1aff910d-4943-4ba0-b011-fd0707b48abc@osta.com> Grok provides a meaningful answer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Kernighan is credited with demonstrating the famous spell checking pipeline using Unix commands like cat | tr | sort | uniq | comm (or similar variations). In a classic 1970s Bell Labs video titled "The UNIX Operating System," he showcased pipelines for spell checking as an early example of Unix's power. The video uses a pipeline like makewords sentence | lowercase | sort | unique | mismatch to extract words, lowercase them, sort, remove duplicates, and compare against a dictionary—concepts that directly inspired modern equivalents with tr for translation, uniq for deduplication, and comm for comparison. This approach highlights Unix's philosophy of combining simple tools for complex tasks, and while the exact commands evolved, the core idea stems from Kernighan's presentation. The original spell command from 1975, written by Stephen C. Johnson with improvements by Douglas McIlroy, used a similar internal logic but not this exact pipeline. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Heinz On 9/3/2025 5:53 AM, Dan Cross via TUHS wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 3:47 AM Diomidis Spinellis via TUHS > wrote: >> In Brian Kernighan's amazing VCF talk that Arnold Robbins shared >> yesterday, bwk mentions that Steve N[uancen?] came up with the famous >> spell checking pipeline: cat | tr | sort | uniq | comm >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb_YL1K1Qg&t=1396s >> >> Anybody knows the correct name of that person? ChatGPT only >> hallucinates many wrong ones. > As others have pointed out, it was Steve Johnson. I wanted to mention > that he did say Steve Johnson in the video as well, though I can see > how one might (mis)hear differently; I think that's just an artifact > of the audio. > > - Dan C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 4 02:03:57 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Thalia Archibald via TUHS) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2025 16:03:57 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Who came up with the spell check pipeline? In-Reply-To: References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: On Sep 3, 2025, at 01:39, Diomidis Spinellis wrote: > > In Brian Kernighan's amazing VCF talk that Arnold Robbins shared > yesterday, bwk mentions that Steve N[uancen?] came up with the famous > spell checking pipeline: cat | tr | sort | uniq | comm > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb_YL1K1Qg&t=1396s In “The UNIX System: Making Computers More Productive” (1982), Brian Kernighan describes a similar pipeline: makewords sentence | lowercase | sort | unique | mismatch -� where `sentence` is a file and the last character typed was not shown. Spell-checking evidently teaches pipelines well, as he’s been explaining similar formulations for a long time. Thalia From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 4 02:06:35 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Thalia Archibald via TUHS) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2025 16:06:35 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Who came up with the spell check pipeline? In-Reply-To: References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: <7C4F4A43-E736-436C-BAD0-D4D40BAA0BB7@archibald.dev> On Sep 3, 2025, at 10:03, Thalia Archibald wrote: > In “The UNIX System: Making Computers More Productive” (1982), Brian Kernighan > describes a similar pipeline And that film can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0 Thalia From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 4 12:31:05 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey via TUHS) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2025 12:31:05 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] dmr's C Compiler: a more detailed look? Message-ID: Hi all, does anybody know of a deeper dive into dmr's PDP-11 C compiler other than "A Tour through the UNIX C Compiler" from the Unix Programmer’s Manual Vol 2B? I'm specifically interested in the PDP-11 code generation from the AST trees: given the PDP-11 has a heap of addressing modes, there must be interesting ways of using them in a compiler to avoid registers. Anyway, if there is something closer to a function-level (and data structure level) exposition, I'd be very keen to find it! Many thanks in advance, Warren From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Sep 5 07:53:18 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (=?utf-8?q?Cameron_M=C3=AD=C4=8Be=C3=A1l_Tyre_via_TUHS?=) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2025 21:53:18 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Brian Kernighan's talk on the history of Unix at VCF East this year In-Reply-To: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> References: <202509021249.582Cn22h066009@freefriends.org> Message-ID: <5W51nWcqJ9-uuyRHnqIkrl6VjMHzTlplOncCDpfkCggel1oBN77i-2k10befFnxq4Yhl55Zvd6RZ8FzDGHHkDdQnNyu2yepopKfUFIM56KU=@protonmail.ch> Hello Arnold, Thank you for sharing that link. I actually sneaked a peek at some of the article but realized, as you suggested, that I should skip straight to the video. One of the most enjoyable 100 minutes. Mr. Kernighan just has a way of communicating that I my brain latches onto. I found it interesting that the calm and collected presentation of information that lured me into "The C Programming Language", in college 38 years ago, endured in this verbal presentation. I loved his sense of humor also. How lucky are the students at Princeton who get an opportunity to go to one of his lectures, regardless of the subject! Best regards, Cameron From tuhs at tuhs.org Sun Sep 7 11:25:43 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (segaloco via TUHS) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2025 01:25:43 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] [COFF] Early Bell Laboratories CPU Datasheets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And now I've started a repository here: https://gitlab.com/segaloco/pwb5btl_man This will slowly accumulate reconstructions of the various manpages in the BTL edition of the Release 5.0 User's and Administrator's Manuals. I've started with the MAC-4 development utilities, and intend to tackle the pages for the MAC-8 and BASIC-16 environments next. I'll be adding various pages from these manuals over time, in the same spirit as my 4.1 3B20S project. I look forward to the opportunity to share these materials around Bell Labs's use of UNIX in their hardware design operations. Will probably start a more focused TUHS thread when the repository has more stuff in it, but a Bcc mention for now. - Matt G. On Friday, September 5th, 2025 at 23:02, segaloco via COFF wrote: > Just wanted to share a couple of datasheets that may interest folks here. This evening I scanned both the MAC-8 and MAC-4 preliminary datasheets from late 1978. While many details of the MAC-8 are currently known, the MAC-4 has been elusive in my study until I received these documents in a collection of MAC-8 materials. > > [https://archive.org/details/212-b-mac-8-data-sheet](https://archive.org/details/212-b-mac-8-data-sheet/) > > [https://archive.org/details/mac-4-specification-sheet](https://archive.org/details/mac-4-specification-sheet/) > > These are Bell Laboratories' 1970's 8-bit and 4-bit microprocessors which preceded their work on the WE32000. > > I have some hints on the typical development environment too. The BTL editions of the UNIX 5.0 and SVR2 manuals contain numerous references to MAC-8 and MAC-4 tools. I intend to preserve those pages too as part of a larger effort to illuminate the history of these two processors. > > I've provided much more info here: https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/western-electric-component-databooks.1250931/#post-1464263 > > - Matt G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuhs at tuhs.org Sun Sep 7 13:26:43 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (segaloco via TUHS) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2025 03:26:43 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Bell COSMOS UNIX Commands Message-ID: As discussed in a previous thread, Bell Laboratories' COSMOS system was an early AT&T application of UNIX outside of research, software development, and typesetting, starting a trend of using UNIX as the underlying system for telephone switching hardware. Well I happened to be reading up on some various switching hardware when I came across this AT&T spec for the "Frame Transaction Codes" used in the COSMOS system: https://telecomarchive.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/docs/bsp-archive/SPCS/PA-6P014_I3.pdf The first issue of this manual is from 1979. I don't know for certain if this manual is describing UNIX commands, but they are all prefixed with a "%" alluding to a mid-70s shell. There may be more nuggets hiding in COSMOS-adjacent literature out there. - Matt G. From tuhs at tuhs.org Mon Sep 8 20:27:22 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Jason Stevens via TUHS) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2025 11:27:22 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Bruce Evans 386 Minix patches & compiler source Message-ID: Hi all! It's been quite a while since I was messing with Minix386 back in the days when Bruce Evans released a set of patches to bring 386 support. I'm pretty sure over on oldlinux.org the patch set exists, but I can only find the one set of binaries of his 386 toolchain. I know it eventually evolved into the bin86 toolchain that Linus would go on to use to create real mode boot code, but I don't know if any of the source code to his 1991/1992 386 toolchain ever got published? Thanks in advance! Jason Stevens From tuhs at tuhs.org Tue Sep 9 09:23:15 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Greg 'groggy' Lehey via TUHS) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 09:23:15 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Bruce Evans 386 Minix patches & compiler source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Monday, 8 September 2025 at 11:27:22 +0100, The UNIX Heritage Society wrote: > Hi all! > It's been quite a while since I was messing with Minix386 back in the days > when Bruce Evans released a set of patches to bring 386 support. > I'm pretty sure over on oldlinux.org the patch set exists, but I can only > find the one set of binaries of his 386 toolchain. > I know it eventually evolved into the bin86 toolchain that Linus would go on > to use to create real mode boot code, but I don't know if any of the source > code to his 1991/1992 386 toolchain ever got published? I received Bruce's computers when he died, and I briefly looked into some of the data on the disks. If you can give me some search strings for file names, I can take a look and possibly find something. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tuhs at tuhs.org Tue Sep 9 12:47:06 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Jason Stevens via TUHS) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 03:47:06 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Bruce Evans 386 Minix patches & compiler source Message-ID: Sure here is some: /local/bin/ld /local/bin/as /local/bin/sc /usr/local/lib/i86/crtso.o /usr/local/lib/i386/crtso.o pre-defined macros seem to be __LONG_BIG_ENDIAN__ __FIRST_ARG_IN_AX__ __CALLER_SAVES__ __AS386_16__ __AS386_32__ -----Original Message----- From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jason Stevens Cc: The UNIX Heritage Society Sent: 9/9/25 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [TUHS] Bruce Evans 386 Minix patches & compiler source On Monday, 8 September 2025 at 11:27:22 +0100, The UNIX Heritage Society wrote: > Hi all! > It's been quite a while since I was messing with Minix386 back in the days > when Bruce Evans released a set of patches to bring 386 support. > I'm pretty sure over on oldlinux.org the patch set exists, but I can only > find the one set of binaries of his 386 toolchain. > I know it eventually evolved into the bin86 toolchain that Linus would go on > to use to create real mode boot code, but I don't know if any of the source > code to his 1991/1992 386 toolchain ever got published? I received Bruce's computers when he died, and I briefly looked into some of the data on the disks. If you can give me some search strings for file names, I can take a look and possibly find something. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php From tuhs at tuhs.org Tue Sep 9 14:02:20 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Jonathan Gray via TUHS) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 14:02:20 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Bruce Evans 386 Minix patches & compiler source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 08, 2025 at 11:27:22AM +0100, Jason Stevens via TUHS wrote: > Hi all! > It's been quite a while since I was messing with Minix386 back in the days > when Bruce Evans released a set of patches to bring 386 support. > I'm pretty sure over on oldlinux.org the patch set exists, but I can only > find the one set of binaries of his 386 toolchain. the version in minix 386 archives (without full sources): bccbin16.tar.Z bccbin32.tar.Z bcclib.tar.Z bcc.tar.Z > I know it eventually evolved into the bin86 toolchain that Linus would go on > to use to create real mode boot code, but I don't know if any of the source > code to his 1991/1992 386 toolchain ever got published? FreeBSD has Bruce's C Compiler (bcc) in ports as devel/bcc http://distcache.freebsd.org/ports-distfiles/bcc.tar.gz VERSION: 1995 Mar 12 10:29 UTC same file available at http://fare.tunes.org/files/asm/bcc-95.3.12.src.tgz An earlier (1991/1992) version of the as/ld part of it https://ftp.funet.fi/pub/Linux/bin/as86.src.tar.Z From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 10 05:07:14 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Phillip Harbison via TUHS) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 14:07:14 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] HBD, DMR! Message-ID: <854aa178-d1b9-4aa4-9a01-426e033f39e8@xavax.com> Happy Birthday, Dennis Ritchie! RIP! Gone but never forgotten! https://www.facebook.com/AssociationForComputingMachinery/posts/pfbid02qcn4HRipMueZtvkAASeSPWWySNgA858qaUawszWTfncsxMYzV6rbPyMKJMo952YMl Who else remembers when DMR crossposted to comp.unix an announcement of a Q-Bus modem card under the subject "Q-Bus Integral Lightning Rod"? Or when he denied ever being a membee of the "demigodic party". Or when he and Ken Thompson appeared on the cover of Byte(?) and in the background on a VT100 was the command "$ cat xxxxxxxx > /dev/lp". No fancy printer daemons for those guys! He definitely had a sense of humor. -- Phil Harbison From tuhs at tuhs.org Wed Sep 10 14:48:44 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Greg 'groggy' Lehey via TUHS) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:48:44 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Bruce Evans 386 Minix patches & compiler source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Monday, 8 September 2025 at 11:27:22 +0100, The UNIX Heritage Society wrote: > Hi all! > It's been quite a while since I was messing with Minix386 back in the days > when Bruce Evans released a set of patches to bring 386 support. > I'm pretty sure over on oldlinux.org the patch set exists, but I can only > find the one set of binaries of his 386 toolchain. > I know it eventually evolved into the bin86 toolchain that Linus would go on > to use to create real mode boot code, but I don't know if any of the source > code to his 1991/1992 386 toolchain ever got published? > Thanks in advance! I may have something for you: -rw-r--r-- 1 15 wheel 1,204,371 9 Sep 2009 minix-1.5.10.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 15 wheel 188,964 10 Sep 2009 minix-extra.tar.gz -r--r--r-- 1 15 wheel 15,247,252 18 Dec 1994 minix.tar.gz Don't be put off by the dates of the archives; the programs are mainly from 1992 and 1993. They're all on http://www.lemis.com/grog/tmp, which is not readable. In particular minix.tar.gz could be useful. Take a look and let me know; there's more to search. The programs won't stay there; expect wkt to tell you where the end up, once we have established exactly what they are. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 11 03:11:30 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Arnold Robbins via TUHS) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 11:11:30 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Is it still possible to find old USENET postings? Message-ID: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> I'm looking for something posted to comp.unix.questions in October of 1989, for which I have a printout. I'm hoping I can still find it online somehow. Any advice? Thanks, Arnold From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 11 03:27:44 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (A. P. Garcia via TUHS) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:27:44 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Is it still possible to find old USENET postings? In-Reply-To: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> References: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2025, 1:11 PM Arnold Robbins via TUHS wrote: > I'm looking for something posted to comp.unix.questions in October of 1989, for which I have a printout. I'm hoping I can still find it online somehow. I'm only aware of Google Groups and Henry Spencer's utzoo archive. The latter was taken down from the Internet Archive, but there's a mirror at https://shiftleft.com/mirrors/utzoo-usenet/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 11 08:17:22 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey via TUHS) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 08:17:22 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Is it still possible to find old USENET postings? In-Reply-To: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> References: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 11:11:30AM -0600, Arnold Robbins via TUHS wrote: > I'm looking for something posted to comp.unix.questions in October of > 1989, for which I have a printout. I'm hoping I can still find it online > somehow. Try this: https://www.tuhs.org/Usenet/comp.unix.questions/ Cheers! Warren From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 11 18:19:08 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Arnold Robbins via TUHS) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 02:19:08 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Is it still possible to find old USENET postings? In-Reply-To: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> References: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> Message-ID: <202509110819.58B8J8wR091001@freefriends.org> Hi All. I wrote: > I'm looking for something posted to comp.unix.questions in October of > 1989, for which I have a printout. I'm hoping I can still find it online > somehow. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Arnold Thanks to everyone who sent answers. A particular thank you to Adam Sjøgren who found the article: https://article.olduse.net/9157 at elsie.UUCP on the site he maintains. It's fun to see it. I agree with ADO that the answers do reflect the corporate culture of the time. :-) Arnold From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 11 18:54:12 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Ori Kuttner via TUHS) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 11:54:12 +0300 Subject: [TUHS] Is it still possible to find old USENET postings? In-Reply-To: <202509110819.58B8J8wR091001@freefriends.org> References: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> <202509110819.58B8J8wR091001@freefriends.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 11:19 AM Arnold Robbins via TUHS wrote: > Hi All. > > I wrote: > > > I'm looking for something posted to comp.unix.questions in October of > > 1989, for which I have a printout. I'm hoping I can still find it online > > somehow. > > > > Any advice? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Arnold > > Thanks to everyone who sent answers. > > A particular thank you to Adam Sjøgren > who found the article: https://article.olduse.net/9157 at elsie.UUCP > on the site he maintains. > > It's fun to see it. I agree with ADO that the answers do > reflect the corporate culture of the time. :-) > Sun says, it's not a bug, it is a feature :-) > > Arnold > From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 11 20:52:51 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Leah Neukirchen via TUHS) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 12:52:51 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] Is it still possible to find old USENET postings? In-Reply-To: <202509110819.58B8J8wR091001@freefriends.org> (Arnold Robbins via TUHS's message of "Thu, 11 Sep 2025 02:19:08 -0600") References: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> <202509110819.58B8J8wR091001@freefriends.org> Message-ID: <87jz25gt18.fsf@vuxu.org> Arnold Robbins via TUHS writes: > Thanks to everyone who sent answers. > > A particular thank you to Adam Sjøgren > who found the article: https://article.olduse.net/9157 at elsie.UUCP > on the site he maintains. > > It's fun to see it. I agree with ADO that the answers do > reflect the corporate culture of the time. :-) Now I wonder what the awk versions did, that didn't print each line that contains an equal sign? -- Leah Neukirchen https://leahneukirchen.org/ From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 11 21:25:30 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Arnold Robbins via TUHS) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 05:25:30 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Is it still possible to find old USENET postings? In-Reply-To: <87jz25gt18.fsf@vuxu.org> References: <202509101711.58AHBUVI035333@freefriends.org> <202509110819.58B8J8wR091001@freefriends.org> <87jz25gt18.fsf@vuxu.org> Message-ID: <202509111125.58BBPU2H099729@freefriends.org> Leah Neukirchen wrote: > Arnold Robbins via TUHS writes: > > > Thanks to everyone who sent answers. > > > > A particular thank you to Adam Sjøgren > > who found the article: https://article.olduse.net/9157 at elsie.UUCP > > on the site he maintains. > > > > It's fun to see it. I agree with ADO that the answers do > > reflect the corporate culture of the time. :-) > > Now I wonder what the awk versions did, that didn't print each line > that contains an equal sign? > > -- > Leah Neukirchen https://leahneukirchen.org/ Probably produced syntax errors. Since it's hard to tell when you see just the '/=' whether it's an assignment operator or the beginning of a regular expression. Issues with /= still lurk in the One True Awk. See this one from June: https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk/pull/255. :-) Arnold From tuhs at tuhs.org Thu Sep 11 21:32:21 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Arnold Robbins via TUHS) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 05:32:21 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Vintage Mt. Xinu bumber sticker for the highest bidder :-) Message-ID: <202509111132.58BBWL3J000423@freefriends.org> Hi All. In cleaning out some old files yesterday, I found a Mt. Xinu bumper sticker from 1986 with the slogan 4.3 + NFS > {sigma for n = 0 to infinity} V.n It's in pretty pristine condition. I'm willing to send it off for the highest bid + the price of postage. If interested, please email me DIRECTLY with your bid. Bidding to close by Monday morning, Israel time. Payment via Paypal or US check to my US address. This is meant in a spirit of fun, I hope Warren won't be mad at me. :-) Thanks, Arnold From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Sep 12 12:29:58 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Al Kossow via TUHS) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 19:29:58 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] OSF Research OS Collected Papers Message-ID: <7dcd0963-2fc6-0054-9516-1f22135a3b94@bitsavers.org> I came across copies of a few papers that I think came from the multi-volume OSF Research Institute OS Collected Papers Did they ever make these volumes generally available? From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Sep 12 14:48:18 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Jonathan Gray via TUHS) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 14:48:18 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] OSF Research OS Collected Papers In-Reply-To: <7dcd0963-2fc6-0054-9516-1f22135a3b94@bitsavers.org> References: <7dcd0963-2fc6-0054-9516-1f22135a3b94@bitsavers.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 07:29:58PM -0700, Al Kossow via TUHS wrote: > I came across copies of a few papers that I think came from the multi-volume OSF Research Institute OS Collected Papers > Did they ever make these volumes generally available? Operating Systems - Collected Papers Vol. 1, March 1993 Operating Systems - Collected Papers Vol. 2, October 1993 Operating Systems - Collected Papers Vol. 3, April 1994 Operating Systems - Collected Papers Vol. 4, October 1995 Operating Systems - Collected Papers Vol. 5, March 1997 postscript versions of individual papers: https://web.archive.org/web/19970607223018/http://www.osf.org/os/os.coll.papers/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/19970615200522/http://www.osf.org/os/os.coll.papers/Vol1/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/19970615200559/http://www.osf.org/os/os.coll.papers/Vol2/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/19970615200636/http://www.osf.org/os/os.coll.papers/Vol3/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/19970615200713/http://www.osf.org/os/os.coll.papers/Vol4/index.html price list from March 1997: https://web.archive.org/web/19970707164633/http://www.opengroup.org/RI/ri/pubs/Pubsform.html From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Sep 12 15:49:07 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (segaloco via TUHS) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 05:49:07 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] AT&T Videotape Library Message-ID: I recently saw some auctions for "AT&T Videotape Library" ephemera while searching for documents and it seems there were a fair deal of tapes one could order on subjects such as typical shell usage and UNIX internals. This is distinct from tapes that were distributed by USL, although I couldn't tell you what they published besides C education, I happened upon a Volume 2 set from a early '90s C educational film set. Anywho, I've found myself curious about the content and frankly the production, especially CG effects for transitions and demonstrations. Has anyone on list viewed any of these tapes or even better have the scoop on the production thereof? I have a particular soft spot for corporate educational material of bygone days, I type as I look at my stack of BSP manuals. Some day I hope to have the hardware to preserve VHS tapes because I've already got 5 tapes of various AT&T stuff I've picked up over the years. Also just in general, any historic educational video content concerning UNIX you find particularly memorable? For me it's the early '80s AT&T promotional films about UNIX in which you can tell they're editing over "The UNIX System" in post after everyone had already said just UNIX during taping. It's funny, the manual edits feel quite the same: g/\(UNIX\)/s//The \1 System/g Not saying that to disparage either, I find it a charming little edit with an interesting back story. - Matt G. From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Sep 12 20:57:13 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Mike Dank via TUHS) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 06:57:13 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] AT&T Videotape Library Message-ID: <772CA1AF-DDFD-4C9A-A8CD-1DF0389FDDF3@gmail.com> I actually have a few of these tapes I picked up from a flea market a while back and am planning on digitizing in the next month or two. C Language for Programmers - Volumes 4-8 The Shell Command Language for Programmers - Volumes 4-7 I forget if one of the tapes from these is missing, and it’s a shame that I don’t have the beginning volumes for any of them but I grabbed everything being sold at the time. Cheers, Mike > On Sep 12, 2025, at 02:09, segaloco via TUHS wrote: >  > I recently saw some auctions for "AT&T Videotape Library" ephemera while > searching for documents and it seems there were a fair deal of tapes one > could order on subjects such as typical shell usage and UNIX internals. > This is distinct from tapes that were distributed by USL, although I > couldn't tell you what they published besides C education, I happened > upon a Volume 2 set from a early '90s C educational film set. > > Anywho, I've found myself curious about the content and frankly the > production, especially CG effects for transitions and demonstrations. > Has anyone on list viewed any of these tapes or even better have the > scoop on the production thereof? I have a particular soft spot for > corporate educational material of bygone days, I type as I look at my > stack of BSP manuals. Some day I hope to have the hardware to preserve > VHS tapes because I've already got 5 tapes of various AT&T stuff I've > picked up over the years. > > Also just in general, any historic educational video content concerning > UNIX you find particularly memorable? For me it's the early '80s AT&T > promotional films about UNIX in which you can tell they're editing over > "The UNIX System" in post after everyone had already said just UNIX > during taping. It's funny, the manual edits feel quite the same: > > g/\(UNIX\)/s//The \1 System/g > > Not saying that to disparage either, I find it a charming little edit > with an interesting back story. > > - Matt G. From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Sep 12 22:14:05 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Al Kossow via TUHS) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 05:14:05 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] OSF Research OS Collected Papers In-Reply-To: References: <7dcd0963-2fc6-0054-9516-1f22135a3b94@bitsavers.org> Message-ID: <33f9bf02-7923-2f9e-81b0-b1e3857c1bc2@bitsavers.org> On 9/11/25 9:48 PM, Jonathan Gray wrote: > postscript versions of individual papers: > thanks! there is only one IA snapshot that actually has the Vol1-4 postscript files https://web.archive.org/web/19970616122217/http://www.osf.org:80/os/os.coll.papers/Vol1/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/19970616122217/http://www.osf.org:80/os/os.coll.papers/Vol2/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/19970616122217/http://www.osf.org:80/os/os.coll.papers/Vol3/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/19970616122217/http://www.osf.org:80/os/os.coll.papers/Vol4/index.html From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Sep 12 23:00:28 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Jonathan Gray via TUHS) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 23:00:28 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] OSF Research OS Collected Papers In-Reply-To: <33f9bf02-7923-2f9e-81b0-b1e3857c1bc2@bitsavers.org> References: <7dcd0963-2fc6-0054-9516-1f22135a3b94@bitsavers.org> <33f9bf02-7923-2f9e-81b0-b1e3857c1bc2@bitsavers.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 05:14:05AM -0700, Al Kossow via TUHS wrote: > On 9/11/25 9:48 PM, Jonathan Gray wrote: > > > postscript versions of individual papers: > > > > thanks! there is only one IA snapshot that actually has the Vol1-4 postscript files > > https://web.archive.org/web/19970616122217/http://www.osf.org:80/os/os.coll.papers/Vol1/index.html > https://web.archive.org/web/19970616122217/http://www.osf.org:80/os/os.coll.papers/Vol2/index.html > https://web.archive.org/web/19970616122217/http://www.osf.org:80/os/os.coll.papers/Vol3/index.html > https://web.archive.org/web/19970616122217/http://www.osf.org:80/os/os.coll.papers/Vol4/index.html Strange, I downloaded all the postscript files from the other links without problem. The bibliography may also be helpful, mentions which volume of the collected papers to check. https://web.archive.org/web/19971016173810/http://www.opengroup.org/RI/ri/biblio/Bibliography.frame.html From tuhs at tuhs.org Fri Sep 12 23:48:12 2025 From: tuhs at tuhs.org (Al Kossow via TUHS) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 06:48:12 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] OSF Research OS Collected Papers In-Reply-To: References: <7dcd0963-2fc6-0054-9516-1f22135a3b94@bitsavers.org> <33f9bf02-7923-2f9e-81b0-b1e3857c1bc2@bitsavers.org> Message-ID: On 9/12/25 6:00 AM, Jonathan Gray wrote: > Strange, I downloaded all the postscript files from the other links > without problem. > > The bibliography may also be helpful, mentions which volume of > the collected papers to check. > https://web.archive.org/web/19971016173810/http://www.opengroup.org/RI/ri/biblio/Bibliography.frame.html > I am not able to access most of the postscript files in that bibliography They need to be archived somewhere else then if you can recover the.