On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 8:29 AM, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 04:07:06PM +0100, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
> Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> ...
> |Here's a personal example of the differences. When I was looking at
> |working with Netflix I emailed McKuisik to ask him about some UFS stuff.
> |And this was me, I know Kirk, I've been to his house, had wine with him
> |and Eric. No reply. Ok, I'm old and washed up, I get it.
>
> Even though i have read your message as a maybe even ironic
> sharpening, i feel i have to step in and find this hard to
> believe. Maybe there have been technical reasons.

I didn't really mean to shine a light on Kirk, I like Kirk, I'm one of
the few people besides Kirk to work on UFS.

There's about a dozen. They talk. Even Kirk. But you can't expect people whose time is their own to reply to you on a short timeline. It's not a reasonable expectation.

That said, I stand by what I said, it's what happened. And it seems to
be reflective of the BSD "culture", it appears to be the opposite of
inclusive. Disappointing.

I've had a completely different experience. But when people don't answer, I ask again. I just just go off and sulk that they were mean to me.

Linux has a very different culture. Everyone is welcome and they
maintain sanity largely via Linus willing to call a spade a spade.
He doesn't suffer fools but he's willing to engage with anyone until
they prove themselves to be a fool and nothing more.

Sure, if you love a toxic culture that's hard to break through the machismo when the anointed ones are wrong....

Needless to say, I have a completely different perspective and two-decades-long experience with BSD and its collaboration.

Warner