On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Jon Steinhart <jon@fourwinds.com> wrote:

Well, I'd suggest that a lot of this has to do with people who have vision
and people who don't. When you look at UNIX, you see something created by
a bunch of very talented people who had a reasonably shared vision of what
they were trying to achieve.

Jon - I mostly agree, but would twist it a little differently (hey, we've been arguing since the 1970s, so why stop now).

I think you are actually touching on an idea that has been around humanity for a long time that is independent of the computer field. We call it "good taste." Part of acquiring good taste is learning what is in bad taste, a heavy dose of experience and frankly the ability to evaluate your own flaws. What I always love about Dennis, Ken, Doug, Steve and the rest if the team is their willingness to accept the shortcomings and compromises that were made as the developed UNIX as a system. I never saw them trying to claim perfection or completeness, much less and end state had been reached. Always looking for something better, more interesting. And always, standing on the shoulders of others...

What I really dislike about much of the crowd that has been discussed is that they often seem more contented to kick people in the shins that standing on their shoulders.

I used to say, when we were hiring people for some of my start-ups, what we wanted was experienced folks that had demonstrated good taste. Those are people you can trust; and will get you pretty close to where you want to be.

In fact, to pick on one of my previous employers, I have always said, what DEC got wrong, was it was always striving to be perfect. And lots of things never shipped, or when they did (like Alpha) it was wonderful, but it did not matter. The opportunity window had passed.

Part of "good taste" is getting the job done and on time. Being "good enough" and moving on to the next thing. Sun (certainly at the beginning) was pretty good at this idea. The UNIX team clearly got a lot of it right.

It is easy to throw stones at others. It is hard to repeatedly get so much right for so long and UNIX has and did.

Clem