21 Oct
2017
21 Oct
'17
9:11 a.m.
I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are
any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
IIRC it was a major driver of graphics capabilities in Unix
workstations around that time.
Wesley Parish
21 Oct
21 Oct
5:11 p.m.
New subject: Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software: CADroid
I have an old copy of CADroid for the Sun-3 from 1987 sitting around, which runs on
SunView. (It’s the original version before I worked with Mitch Bradley integrating it with
CForth to replace its old icky extension language. Unfortunately I didn’t keep a copy of
the source code and our CForth mods.)
http://www.donhopkins.com/home/cadroid.tgz
<http://www.donhopkins.com/home/cadroid.tgz>
Sun licensed it from Lucasfilm, and used it to design various circuit board. That tar file
includes a 4 meg board schematic (but not the rest of Sun’s schematics library, alas ;).
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/net.lsi/I8aoKvm78-o
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/net.lsi/I8aoKvm78-o>
https://books.google.nl/books?id=aDCH6OPGmh8C&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&…
<https://books.google.nl/books?id=aDCH6OPGmh8C&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=%22cadroid%22+lucas+schematic&source=bl&ots=oa78HI0TWr&sig=l-o1d91YP70bZWH57yLaHluR3jw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2t-jXkILXAhWEORoKHXAyDXUQ6AEIOzAG#v=onepage&q="cadroid"
lucas schematic&f=false>
https://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/cg/1984/05/04055788.pdf
<https://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/cg/1984/05/04055788.pdf>
-Don
On 21 Oct 2017, at 11:11, Wesley Parish
<wobblygong(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are
any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
IIRC it was a major driver of graphics capabilities in Unix
workstations around that time.
Wesley Parish
5:26 p.m.
New subject: Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software: CADroid
Warren has the Unix circuit Design system UCSD from research that Ken used for Belle in
Unix/Ts aka V7 and v8. Rob and Bart L updated/replaced with something else for the bilt
on plan 9 which was after me but the core was based on UCSD. Dan Cross might know more
from plan 9 days and I can ask Presotto and Bart
Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.
On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Don Hopkins
<don(a)DonHopkins.com> wrote:
I have an old copy of CADroid for the Sun-3 from 1987 sitting around, which runs on
SunView. (It’s the original version before I worked with Mitch Bradley integrating it with
CForth to replace its old icky extension language. Unfortunately I didn’t keep a copy of
the source code and our CForth mods.)
http://www.donhopkins.com/home/cadroid.tgz
Sun licensed it from Lucasfilm, and used it to design various circuit board. That tar
file includes a 4 meg board schematic (but not the rest of Sun’s schematics library, alas
;).
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/net.lsi/I8aoKvm78-o
https://books.google.nl/books?id=aDCH6OPGmh8C&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&…
https://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/cg/1984/05/04055788.pdf
-Don
On 21 Oct 2017, at 11:11, Wesley Parish
<wobblygong(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being discussed, if there are
any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
IIRC it was a major driver of graphics capabilities in Unix
workstations around that time.
Wesley Parish
23 Oct
23 Oct
1:13 a.m.
New subject: Conceivably OT: 80s and 90s era CAD software: CADroid
On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Clem cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Warren has the Unix circuit Design system UCSD from
research that Ken used
for Belle in Unix/Ts aka V7 and v8. Rob and Bart L updated/replaced with
something else for the bilt on plan 9 which was after me but the core was
based on UCSD. Dan Cross might know more from plan 9 days and I can ask
Presotto and Bart
While I'm flattered, Clem gives me far too much credit. :-) I'm afraid
I've got no knowledge on the CAD story vis Plan 9. Bart or Dave would
know much more on that, I think.
- Dan C.
22 Oct
22 Oct
12:06 a.m.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix being
discussed, if there are
any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
Dunno if it counts, but Eagle is still available, hence may not qualify;
it kicked off around the late 80s.
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
7:53 a.m.
Might be worth asking them if they have any objection to having their
80s and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been
built on a BSD-based Unix, I take it?
On 10/22/17, Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix
being discussed, if there are
any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
Dunno if it counts, but Eagle is still available, hence may not qualify;
it kicked off around the late 80s.
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
5:46 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Wesley Parish <wobblygong(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Might be worth asking them if they have any objection
to having their
80s and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been
built on a BSD-based Unix, I take it?
On 10/22/17, Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
They are now owned by autocad, I'd not put out a lot of hope.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
I'm wondering, with 80s and 90s era Unix
being discussed, if there are
any copies of the 80s and 90s era CAD software extant in some form or
other? (Preferably free to good archive?)
Dunno if it counts, but Eagle is still available, hence may not qualify;
it kicked off around the late 80s.
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
8:38 p.m.
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
[ Eagle CAD ]
Might be worth asking them if they have any objection
to having their
80s and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been
built on a BSD-based Unix, I take it?
Our clients used it on old Suns (Sun-2, as I recall), so yeah, BSD (before
they got infected with SysVile).
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
10:33 p.m.
possibly the last s/w package I saw which had the regents official
stamp logo in the corner, was the BSD tape of magic/spice. I found it
sort-of pleasing that a s/w suite designed to help make chips, was
being distributed with the same licence (US legal paper, that font..)
as the one used to ship the software used to design and make the
software used to design and make the hardware used to ...
Oh NO! Pooh, thats not honey, thats RECURSION!!!!
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
[ Eagle CAD ]
Might be worth asking them if they have any
objection to having their 80s
and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been built on a
BSD-based Unix, I take it?
Our clients used it on old Suns (Sun-2, as I recall), so yeah, BSD (before
they got infected with SysVile).
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
23 Oct
23 Oct
7:06 a.m.
Actually it was the other way around. The BSD releases were based on earlier work by the
ILO (Industrial Laison Office) of EE. Remember the release of SPICE, SPLICE, MOTIS et al
from the EE side predate any BSD release from CS. Releasing code via ILO was started in
the 60 by the real father of the ‘open source’ movement - the late Prof Don Pederson aka
dop by this students.
As dop used to say we always give away our SW because we get to go in the backdoor and
really know what the industrial engineers are doing. If I sell it (like my other alma
mater - CMU liked to do) then I have to go in the front door like any other salesman.
Anyway when CS put together the original BSD (for 6th edition) the ILO was already there
and had the mechanics to license and release things. CS was part of EE and was able to
just use the ILO which they did until CSRG was created a few years after 4.1BSD was
released.
Clem
Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.
On Oct 23, 2017, at 12:33 AM, George Michaelson
<ggm(a)algebras.org> wrote:
possibly the last s/w package I saw which had the regents official
stamp logo in the corner, was the BSD tape of magic/spice. I found it
sort-of pleasing that a s/w suite designed to help make chips, was
being distributed with the same licence (US legal paper, that font..)
as the one used to ship the software used to design and make the
software used to design and make the hardware used to ...
Oh NO! Pooh, thats not honey, thats RECURSION!!!!
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:
>
> [ Eagle CAD ]
>
>> Might be worth asking them if they have any objection to having their 80s
>> and 90s releases preserved in the likes of TUHS. It would've been built on
a
>> BSD-based Unix, I take it?
>
>
> Our clients used it on old Suns (Sun-2, as I recall), so yeah, BSD (before
> they got infected with SysVile).
>
>
> --
> Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
> suffer."
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