4 Sep
2018
4 Sep
'18
5:58 p.m.
From: Henry Bent
just because you can find source (or binaries, or CD
images, etc.) on
the internet, that doesn't make it the least bit legal. ... The concept
of "abandonware" has no legal footing whatsoever.
True; but if all the copies of a particular item are discarded, one can make
all the lawyers on the planet as happy as clams, and it won't do a bit of
good. Save the bits, _then_ work out the legal issues, is my thinking on
priorities.
Noel
(PS: 'Internet' is spelled with a capital; there are many internets, but only
one Internet, just as there are many white houses, but only one White House. If
the technical community, which _does_ understand the difference, can't get it's
act together, how can we expect the media, etc, to do the right thing?)
4 Sep
4 Sep
8:33 p.m.
New subject: Saving the Unix Bits
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 01:58:04PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
True; but if all the copies of a particular item are
discarded, one can make
all the lawyers on the planet as happy as clams, and it won't do a bit of
good. Save the bits, _then_ work out the legal issues, is my thinking on
priorities.
I'll also follow up on Henry and Noel's e-mail w.r.t the Unix Archive that
TUHS provides. The only files in the public archive are ones where the legal
issues have been resolved. I also keep a hidden archive of files where the
legal issues have not been resolved.
As always, if you would like me to keep an off-site backup of your Unix
bits, the hidden Unix archive is write-only. Save the bits, and also
be mindful of the legal issues.
Cheers, Warren
8:39 p.m.
New subject: Saving the Unix Bits
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 4:34 PM Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 01:58:04PM -0400, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
Amen!!!
True; but if all the copies of a particular item
are discarded, one can
make
all the lawyers on the planet as happy as clams,
and it won't do a bit of
good. Save the bits, _then_ work out the legal issues, is my thinking on
priorities.
Save the bits, and also
be mindful of the legal issues.
Exactly -- we do need to be respectful of the legal issues. That is
reality; but as Noel suggest and Warren has demonstrated -- a museum has to
have the object in its posession, before you can argue who owns it ;-)
Clem
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8:53 p.m.
New subject: Saving the Unix Bits
One thing I'd like to see saved for the historical value is Pyramid OS/x.
It was one of those things I'd have liked to see the internals of -- but I
wasn't supposed to have that level accesss in Ed Services.
It is an interesting mix of both the SysV and BSD environments and it's a
shame it's probably completely gone now.
I think the last work on it may have been at Siemens, since I think the
last bit of Pyramid that was left was rumored to
go to SVR4 (I was there for the DC/OSx transition -- I worked on the
courseware fixes and beta testing).
I heard from a friend that they may have gone to Solaris before the end
hit. I think they were swallowed by Fujitsu.
Amazingly, I heard some of my SVR4 courseware stuff ended up in
illustrations used in Solaris courseware. My name was in the illustration
of the password file. A trainer hired at least 5 years after me went to
Sun and I hear some of my stuff went along for the ride.
I long wished they had done the full Linux dual universe thing on a *BSD
varient.
I'd be running FreeBSD on my desktop if I could just watch Netflix with
it. Linux, Windows and MacOS have enough pull for Google to port their
Widevine
Bill
--
d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
pechter-at-gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 4:34 PM Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 01:58:04PM -0400, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
True; but if all the copies of a particular item
are discarded, one can
make
all the lawyers on the planet as happy as clams,
and it won't do a bit of
good. Save the bits, _then_ work out the legal issues, is my thinking on
priorities.
I'll also follow up on Henry and Noel's e-mail w.r.t the Unix Archive that
TUHS provides. The only files in the public archive are ones where the
legal
issues have been resolved. I also keep a hidden archive of files where the
legal issues have not been resolved.
As always, if you would like me to keep an off-site backup of your Unix
bits, the hidden Unix archive is write-only. Save the bits, and also
be mindful of the legal issues.
Cheers, Warren
6 Sep
6 Sep
12:48 a.m.
New subject: Saving the Unix Bits
On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, Warren Toomey wrote:
As always, if you would like me to keep an off-site
backup of your Unix
bits, the hidden Unix archive is write-only. Save the bits, and also be
mindful of the legal issues.
It is really important that Unix history is preserved, lest the
revisionists (they start with an "L") take over.
Disclaimer: I have a hidden archive of some of the "naughty" bits.
-- Dave
12:39 a.m.
New subject: SunOS code?
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, Noel Chiappa wrote:
(PS: 'Internet' is spelled with a capital;
there are many internets, but
only one Internet, just as there are many white houses, but only one
White House. If the technical community, which _does_ understand the
difference, can't get it's act together, how can we expect the media,
etc, to do the right thing?)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
At every technical lecture I do, I insist upon Internet, but the younger
generation these days think that they invented it because of Google
browsing etc.
-- Dave, in a grouchy mood having having three teeth pulled out
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