25 Jul
2020
25 Jul
'20
2:34 p.m.
On another front. I know I've asked this before in v6, and possibly
related to v7, but I can't find the notes anywhere. vi doesn't come with
v7. So, has anybody put it on v7 in simh? I saw a thread sometime back
where vi on v7 wasn't the main topic, where Warren? I think it was, said
he'd done it and it was "easy." I don't suppose there are any notes
laying around telling how this might be accomplished?
I do see vi in 2bsd.tar, I don't suppose there is a 'how to install
2bsd on v7" note around either?
Thanks,
Will
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25 Jul
25 Jul
2:45 p.m.
2BSD was the BSD for V7. It was >>not<< a 'distro' as 3.0 and later
2.XBSD
became. It is just a set of programs and kernel patches that were built
up at UCB. This was the way different sites released things in those
days. The "read me" files should tell you what is there and you pick the
binaries (if you have them) and install them as is and/or recompile from
the makefiles on a case by case basis.
Clem
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 10:35 AM Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On another front. I know I've asked this before
in v6, and possibly
related to v7, but I can't find the notes anywhere. vi doesn't come with
v7. So, has anybody put it on v7 in simh? I saw a thread sometime back
where vi on v7 wasn't the main topic, where Warren? I think it was, said
he'd done it and it was "easy." I don't suppose there are any notes
laying
around telling how this might be accomplished?
I do see vi in 2bsd.tar, I don't suppose there is a 'how to install 2bsd
on v7" note around either?
Thanks,
Will
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3:36 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:47 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
2BSD was the BSD for V7. It was >>not<< a
'distro' as 3.0 and later
2.XBSD became. It is just a set of programs and kernel patches that were
built up at UCB. This was the way different sites released things in those
days. The "read me" files should tell you what is there and you pick the
binaries (if you have them) and install them as is and/or recompile from
the makefiles on a case by case basis.
2.8BSD is the first one I've seen with a bootable tape (though i've not
booted it).
The other caveat with BSD software was it may have made assumptions about
being on a Berkeley unix system by default and may need some help.
Though having said that, I'd give it a try...
Warner
Clem
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 10:35 AM Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On another front. I know I've asked this before in v6, and possibly
> related to v7, but I can't find the notes anywhere. vi doesn't come with
> v7. So, has anybody put it on v7 in simh? I saw a thread sometime back
> where vi on v7 wasn't the main topic, where Warren? I think it was, said
> he'd done it and it was "easy." I don't suppose there are any
notes laying
> around telling how this might be accomplished?
>
> I do see vi in 2bsd.tar, I don't suppose there is a 'how to install 2bsd
> on v7" note around either?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
>
> --
> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF
>
>
12:13 a.m.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 6:08 PM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020, Warner Losh wrote:
Yes. They were. We have V6 and V7 tapes (and a V5 disk image). Likely
earlier versions likely did too. What I'd meant was that 2.8BSD is the
first 2BSD that had a bootable tape.
Warner
2.8BSD is the first one I've seen with a
bootable tape (though i've not
booted it).
Weren't V5/6/7/etc distributed as bootable tapes? Set the switch register
to point to the tape instead of the disk...
1 Aug
1 Aug
7:54 a.m.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020, Warner Losh wrote:
Weren't V5/6/7/etc distributed as bootable
tapes? Set the switch
register to point to the tape instead of the disk...
Yes. They were. We have V6 and V7 tapes (and a V5 disk image). Likely
earlier versions likely did too. What I'd meant was that 2.8BSD is the
first 2BSD that had a bootable tape.
Ah, my mistake.
I think the loader also read just the first block, so woe betide you if
you used a labelled tape...
If I recall, VOL1, HDR1, etc.
-- Dave
12:15 p.m.
Dave those are ANSI tape labels. Unix does not use them DEC did
although was inconsistent with the use particularly WRT HDR2 records. Tom
Quarles (of spice 3 fame) wrote probably the best version for Unix to deal
with them. I believe I gave a copy but it will be in BSD 4.1 maybe 4.2
compiler syntax. I'll ask him if he ever updated it. Clem
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:55 AM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020, Warner Losh wrote:
--
Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
Weren't V5/6/7/etc distributed as
bootable tapes? Set the switch
register to point to the tape instead of the disk...
Yes. They were. We have V6 and V7 tapes (and a V5 disk image). Likely
earlier versions likely did too. What I'd meant was that 2.8BSD is the
first 2BSD that had a bootable tape.
Ah, my mistake.
I think the loader also read just the first block, so woe betide you if
you used a labelled tape...
If I recall, VOL1, HDR1, etc.
-- Dave
2:33 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 6:16 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Dave those are ANSI tape labels. Unix does not use
them DEC did
although was inconsistent with the use particularly WRT HDR2 records. Tom
Quarles (of spice 3 fame) wrote probably the best version for Unix to deal
with them. I believe I gave a copy but it will be in BSD 4.1 maybe 4.2
compiler syntax. I'll ask him if he ever updated it. Clem
How is that related to ansitar.c?
Warner
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:55 AM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020, Warner Losh wrote:
--
Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
Weren't V5/6/7/etc distributed as
bootable tapes? Set the switch
register to point to the tape instead of the disk...
Yes. They were. We have V6 and V7 tapes (and a V5 disk image). Likely
earlier versions likely did too. What I'd meant was that 2.8BSD is the
first 2BSD that had a bootable tape.
Ah, my mistake.
I think the loader also read just the first block, so woe betide you if
you used a labelled tape...
If I recall, VOL1, HDR1, etc.
-- Dave
3:41 p.m.
Not that I know of. Tom's was called ansitape.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:33 AM Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 6:16 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Dave those are ANSI tape labels. Unix does not
use them DEC did
although was inconsistent with the use particularly WRT HDR2 records. Tom
Quarles (of spice 3 fame) wrote probably the best version for Unix to deal
with them. I believe I gave a copy but it will be in BSD 4.1 maybe 4.2
compiler syntax. I'll ask him if he ever updated it. Clem
How is that related to ansitar.c?
Warner
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:55 AM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020, Warner Losh wrote:
--
Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
Weren't V5/6/7/etc distributed as
bootable tapes? Set the switch
register to point to the tape instead of the disk...
Yes. They were. We have V6 and V7 tapes (and a V5 disk image). Likely
earlier versions likely did too. What I'd meant was that 2.8BSD is
the
first 2BSD that had a bootable tape.
Ah, my mistake.
I think the loader also read just the first block, so woe betide you if
you used a labelled tape...
If I recall, VOL1, HDR1, etc.
-- Dave
26 Jul
26 Jul
12:41 a.m.
yes -- sorry, I meant from Berkeley.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:08 PM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020, Warner Losh wrote:
2.8BSD is the first one I've seen with a
bootable tape (though i've not
booted it).
Weren't V5/6/7/etc distributed as bootable tapes? Set the switch register
to point to the tape instead of the disk...
-- Dave
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