19 Apr
2020
19 Apr
'20
2:35 p.m.
I asked a friend who was around at the time (I think he and
Rob worked together at times). Here's what he recalls:
I'll keep it going. rc was a description that it was the worst movie
ever. And was for many years listed as the worst system ever (except
for all the others) in a mish-mash of creative naming... I have no clue
if this is true, and I'm honestly having trouble recalling his name.
It wasn't my intention.
There was a description that it was a startup script from very early
times in Unix, shortened, as Ken was wont to do, from runcom, the nearest
thing CTSS had to a shell--it could run up to six prespecified commands
in background. It wasn't a 'big name' like Evi, but I don't know if
I buy
it, that plan 9 from outer space poster hanging. Plan 9 from Bell Labs
as all these themes flowed together in a mish-mash of creative naming...
With a different name, it could be the lack of information, those who
guess at reasons for naming generate volumes of apocrypha.
The real reason is usually, ``because''.* Trust me, there are even
worse movies... Someone posted some pictures of the names tell you
anything helpful. Despite the lack of televised sports getting to me
in these shelter-in-place days, but, I mean, sure, I guess I'll throw
in some bucks for a pay-per-view of a Pike/Thompson cage match. FIGHT!
Followups set.
Things are named usually because the name is "Plan 9 from outer space
poster hanging. None of the office area at Murray Hill to this list.
Plan 9 is the worst system ever (except for all the others) in a
knod to Churchill (supposedly based on his comment about Democracy).
And from there it was 25 years ago and beer was involved). It makes
a great story, but I don't think there's much doubt about it. And was
for many years listed as the worst movie ever, including the formative
years of plan 9. Yes, but is there anything besides the name? There is
a widespred anecdote that "Plan 9" name comes from the movie until the
end (what a pain!).
_-_-_-_-Mark
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
19 Apr
19 Apr
3:59 p.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
I’m surprised no one mentioned the Brazil movie so far, and rio named from that. I seem to
remember that before being called Plan 9 it was called Brazil because of the movie. Did I
dream that?
Em 19 de abr de 2020, à(s) 11:37, Norman Wilson
<norman(a)oclsc.org> escreveu:
I asked a friend who was around at the time (I think he and
Rob worked together at times). Here's what he recalls:
I'll keep it going. rc was a description that it was the worst movie
ever. And was for many years listed as the worst system ever (except
for all the others) in a mish-mash of creative naming... I have no clue
if this is true, and I'm honestly having trouble recalling his name.
It wasn't my intention.
There was a description that it was a startup script from very early
times in Unix, shortened, as Ken was wont to do, from runcom, the nearest
thing CTSS had to a shell--it could run up to six prespecified commands
in background. It wasn't a 'big name' like Evi, but I don't know if
I buy
it, that plan 9 from outer space poster hanging. Plan 9 from Bell Labs
as all these themes flowed together in a mish-mash of creative naming...
With a different name, it could be the lack of information, those who
guess at reasons for naming generate volumes of apocrypha.
The real reason is usually, ``because''.* Trust me, there are even
worse movies... Someone posted some pictures of the names tell you
anything helpful. Despite the lack of televised sports getting to me
in these shelter-in-place days, but, I mean, sure, I guess I'll throw
in some bucks for a pay-per-view of a Pike/Thompson cage match. FIGHT!
Followups set.
Things are named usually because the name is "Plan 9 from outer space
poster hanging. None of the office area at Murray Hill to this list.
Plan 9 is the worst system ever (except for all the others) in a
knod to Churchill (supposedly based on his comment about Democracy).
And from there it was 25 years ago and beer was involved). It makes
a great story, but I don't think there's much doubt about it. And was
for many years listed as the worst movie ever, including the formative
years of plan 9. Yes, but is there anything besides the name? There is
a widespred anecdote that "Plan 9" name comes from the movie until the
end (what a pain!).
_-_-_-_-Mark
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
10:19 p.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
Rio is a reference to a different movie, not to Brazil. Brazil is a
reference to Brazil. Hope that helps.
-rob
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:07 AM Daniel Camoles <bigato(a)bus142.net> wrote:
I’m surprised no one mentioned the Brazil movie so far, and rio named from that. I seem
to remember that before being called Plan 9 it was called Brazil because of the movie. Did
I dream that?
Em 19 de abr de 2020, à(s) 11:37, Norman Wilson
<norman(a)oclsc.org> escreveu:
I asked a friend who was around at the time (I think he and
Rob worked together at times). Here's what he recalls:
I'll keep it going. rc was a description that it was the worst movie
ever. And was for many years listed as the worst system ever (except
for all the others) in a mish-mash of creative naming... I have no clue
if this is true, and I'm honestly having trouble recalling his name.
It wasn't my intention.
There was a description that it was a startup script from very early
times in Unix, shortened, as Ken was wont to do, from runcom, the nearest
thing CTSS had to a shell--it could run up to six prespecified commands
in background. It wasn't a 'big name' like Evi, but I don't know if
I buy
it, that plan 9 from outer space poster hanging. Plan 9 from Bell Labs
as all these themes flowed together in a mish-mash of creative naming...
With a different name, it could be the lack of information, those who
guess at reasons for naming generate volumes of apocrypha.
The real reason is usually, ``because''.* Trust me, there are even
worse movies... Someone posted some pictures of the names tell you
anything helpful. Despite the lack of televised sports getting to me
in these shelter-in-place days, but, I mean, sure, I guess I'll throw
in some bucks for a pay-per-view of a Pike/Thompson cage match. FIGHT!
Followups set.
Things are named usually because the name is "Plan 9 from outer space
poster hanging. None of the office area at Murray Hill to this list.
Plan 9 is the worst system ever (except for all the others) in a
knod to Churchill (supposedly based on his comment about Democracy).
And from there it was 25 years ago and beer was involved). It makes
a great story, but I don't think there's much doubt about it. And was
for many years listed as the worst movie ever, including the formative
years of plan 9. Yes, but is there anything besides the name? There is
a widespred anecdote that "Plan 9" name comes from the movie until the
end (what a pain!).
_-_-_-_-Mark
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
5:35 p.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 03:43, <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I imagine there's some bad romantic comedy movie starring Michael Caine to
Blame It On...
Timing seems about right.
--
When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the
question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
Rio is a reference to a different movie, not to
Brazil. Brazil is a
reference to Brazil. Hope that helps.
-rob
What movie is Rio a reference to?
8:49 p.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
No, that's not it. You have the wrong actor. The right one appears in the
rio source.
-rob
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:37 AM Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 03:43, <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I imagine there's some bad romantic comedy movie starring Michael Caine to
Blame It On...
Timing seems about right.
--
When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the
question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
Rio is a reference to a different movie, not to
Brazil. Brazil is a
reference to Brazil. Hope that helps.
-rob
What movie is Rio a reference to?
23 Apr
23 Apr
3:33 p.m.
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:-D
/*
* WASHINGTON (AP) - The Food and Drug Administration warned
* consumers Wednesday not to use ``Rio'' hair relaxer products
* because they may cause severe hair loss or turn hair green....
* The FDA urged consumers who have experienced problems with Rio
* to notify their local FDA office, local health department or the
* company at 1‑800‑543‑3002.
*/
sys/src/cmd/rio/rio.c
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Hair_Naturalizer_System
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 22:50, Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
No, that's not it. You have the wrong actor. The
right one appears in the
rio source.
-rob
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:37 AM Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Álvaro
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 03:43, <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
-- Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I imagine there's some bad romantic comedy movie starring Michael Caine
to Blame It On...
Timing seems about right.
--
When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the
question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
Rio is a reference to a different movie, not to
Brazil. Brazil is a
reference to Brazil. Hope that helps.
-rob
What movie is Rio a reference to?
5:10 p.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
Rio the movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_(2011_film)
19 Apr
19 Apr
11:42 p.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 10:37 AM Norman Wilson <norman(a)oclsc.org> wrote:
I asked a friend who was around at the time (I think
he and
Rob worked together at times). Here's what he recalls:
I'll keep it going. rc was a description that it was the worst movie
ever. And was for many years listed as the worst system ever (except
for all the others) in a mish-mash of creative naming...
<snip _-_-_-_-Mark
Mark V Chaney!
20 Apr
20 Apr
2:27 a.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
I think this reflects a very static view of hermeneutics. Just because a
term "meant" something at the time of its first use, doesn't mean that one
should ignore all of the modification of that meaning subsequently.
Language is truly a virus of a type that evolves over time as it is
adjusted by its tree of hosts.
I think you can separate the initial intent of a label from its current
usage.
I wonder what mvs would have said to that. Didn't he read sci.philosophy
at one point?
2:50 a.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
A name that refers to something does not imply some form of metempsychosis.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
-rob
3:08 a.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but "ceci, n'est pas un pipe" is
also true: just because you called it a cigar, doesn't mean it can't
be a fish.
The version I heard once, was "hitch the wagon to the engine and see
what entrains" where every one of hitch, wagon, engine, entrain does
not refer in any way to railways, or even "wagons" if its shakespeare.
It is not very useful to try and have a conversation about anything
EXCEPT the mutability of words, if you don't actually agree what the
words mean in context. I think this may be why Haskell draws a
distinction between things of type Integer and the specific intent
behind "int" and I could be drawn to say the whole 8/16/32/64/128
problem inherent in (unsigned (long) ) int is kind-of more of a
problem than not. If we'd selected IPv6 as 64 bit quantities then
because at the time the 32/64 division of intent was mostly ok, we'd
be good. We went to 128: GCC (sorry) doesn't handle unsigned 128 bit
quantities well. A problem ensues.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:50 PM Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
A name that refers to something does not imply some form of metempsychosis. Sometimes a
cigar is just a cigar.
-rob
4:39 a.m.
New subject: Plan 9 from outer space ?
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 8:50 PM Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
A name that refers to something does not imply some
form of
metempsychosis. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
"We named stuff for a combination of movies we were into, inside jokes and
occasionally after repurposed historical names for new animals." Don't
overthink it.
Warner
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