16 Aug
2017
16 Aug
'17
6:04 p.m.
On 8/16/17, Doug McIlroy <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
the IBM
704. Undoubtedly both were under development at the same
time. So the question is, was arithmetic IF put in FORTRAN to take
advantage of the CAS instruction, or was CAS added to the IBM 704
instruction set to provide hardware support for arithmetic IF? Or
maybe neither?
According to the Wikipedia article on FORTRAN, CAS was usually not the
most efficient way to implement arithmetic IF anyway. CAS takes up
four words of memory and takes three cycles to execute, whereas you
can do it in two words and two cycles with the transfer instructions.
-Paul W.
> the 709
added CAS
It was my understanding that the 704 had this
instruction too
Yes. It's in the manual.
(I searched in vain for an online manual. A quick trip to the
attic turned up the real thing in less time.)
Doug
From what I've been able to determine, FORTRAN came out shortly after 
16 Aug
16 Aug
11:54 p.m.
New subject: arithmetic IF (was origin of string.h and ctype.h)
On Wednesday, 16 August 2017 at 14:04:47 -0400, Paul Winalski wrote:
On 8/16/17, Doug McIlroy <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu>
wrote:
From what I've been able to determine, FORTRAN came out shortly
after the IBM 704. Undoubtedly both were under development at the
same time.
I think there's some doubt about those statements. The 704 was
introduced in 1954, and FORTRAN didn't appear until late 1956 or 1957.
That's a long time in the history of computing.
> the
709 added CAS
It was my understanding that the 704 had this
instruction too
Yes. It's in the manual.
(I searched in vain for an online manual. A quick trip to the
attic turned up the real thing in less time.) So the question is, was arithmetic IF put in FORTRAN
to take
advantage of the CAS instruction, or was CAS added to the IBM 704
instruction set to provide hardware support for arithmetic IF? Or
maybe neither?
I think the arithmetic IF was put into FORTRAN because it was easy to
implement with the CAS instruction. It doesn't make much sense from a
mathematical point of view.
According to the Wikipedia article on FORTRAN, CAS was
usually not the
most efficient way to implement arithmetic IF anyway. CAS takes up
four words of memory and takes three cycles to execute, whereas you
can do it in two words and two cycles with the transfer instructions.
Looking at the assembly listings of the FORTRAN II compiler
(http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/FORTRAN/source/fortran-ii/fort…,
mentioned by Paul McJones), a typical use of CAS is followed by two
unconditional TRA (transfer) instructions and further code, though
presumably early FORTRAN compilers would not optimize in this way.
Timing includes loading an operand from memory. The conditional
transfer instructions are based on accumulator contents, so you'd need
to perform some arithmetic operation first, in the process possibly
destroying accumulator contents that you want.
Doubtless you're right in some (many) cases, but my guess is that the
authors of FORTRAN were looking for the cheapest solution, not the
fastest one. For decades to come, the fastest solution was assembler.
Greg
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17 Aug
17 Aug
2:04 p.m.
New subject: arithmetic IF (was origin of string.h and ctype.h)
"Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Looking at the assembly listings of the FORTRAN II
compiler
(http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/FORTRAN/source/fortran-ii/fort…,
mentioned by Paul McJones), a typical use of CAS is followed by two
unconditional TRA (transfer) instructions and further code, though
presumably early FORTRAN compilers would not optimize in this way.
You'd have to run some FORTRAN through the compiler to see. :-)
I remember reading an article somewhere on the history of the first
FORTRAN compiler. The guys doing it wanted it to succeed, and they
were fighting the mentality that high level languages could not possibly
be as efficient as hand-coded assembly, so they put a lot of work into
the optimization of the generated code.
It worked so well that the results that came out of the compiler
sometimes suprised the compiler writers! They then would have to
dive into the compiler sources to figure out how it was done.
I don't remember where I read this article. If the story rings a
bell with anyone, let me know.
Thanks,
Arnold
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