15 May
2009
15 May
'09
4:48 p.m.
So when do the official celebrations begin? What's a good estimate
of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
Tim Newsham
http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/
15 May
15 May
5:27 p.m.
I'd love to get as much of literature, ads, pdf's & stuff for all the
research editions, and package them up to celebrate the 40th...
I've been doing some limited stuff with v1 & the BSD stuff but it'd be
fun to do something for 1/4/5/6/32v...
Oh and now that Im thinking about it, is the 16bit SYSIII stuff free?
I know it was 'ok' by the fact it had been omitted by the opening memo
that had stated that the 32bit versions of SYSIII & SYSV were not
free...
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Tim Newsham <newsham(a)lava.net> wrote:
So when do the official celebrations begin?
What's a good estimate
of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
Tim Newsham
http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/
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Jason Stevens wrote:
Oh and now that Im thinking about it, is the 16bit
SYSIII stuff free?
I was thinking about the software's status recently, and was wondering
where people would go now if they wanted an ancient Unix license, or
would like to have source access for non-commercial use.
There is some software that the Computer History Museum has that we're trying
to get licensed for non-commercial use, but some of the sources are encumbered
by having some parts that were derived from Unix distributions.
19 May
19 May
2:20 a.m.
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:27:50PM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote:
I'd love to get as much of literature, ads,
pdf's & stuff for all the
research editions, and package them up to celebrate the 40th...
On a related note, does anyone know if the 1978 and 1984 issues of the
Bell System Technical Journal dedicated to UNIX have been made
available online, or if this is even a possibility? AFAIK, a few
papers have appeared here and there, but having the full collection
would be another nice way of celebrating the 40 years...
Best regards,
Rafael
I've been doing some limited stuff with v1 & the BSD stuff but it'd be
fun to do something for 1/4/5/6/32v...
Oh and now that Im thinking about it, is the 16bit SYSIII stuff free?
I know it was 'ok' by the fact it had been omitted by the opening memo
that had stated that the 32bit versions of SYSIII & SYSV were not
free...
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Tim Newsham <newsham(a)lava.net> wrote:
So when do the official celebrations begin?
What's a good estimate
of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
Tim Newsham
http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/
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9:31 p.m.
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:27:50PM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote:
Oh and now that Im thinking about it, is the 16bit
SYSIII stuff free?
Unfortunately, no. The Ancient UNIX Hobbyist license does not cover it
in any form: http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf. But those
who purchased the $100 OldSCO license have access to SysIII.
Cheers,
Warren
9:49 p.m.
Warren Toomey scripsit:
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:27:50PM -0400, Jason
Stevens wrote:
Who is the successor in interest to OldSCO at this point?
--
John Cowan cowan(a)ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan
Nobody expects the RESTifarian Inquisition! Our chief weapon is
surprise ... surprise and tedium ... tedium and surprise ....
Our two weapons are tedium and surprise ... and ruthless disregard
for unpleasant facts.... Our three weapons are tedium, surprise, and
ruthless disregard ... and an almost fanatical devotion to Roy Fielding....
Oh and now that Im thinking about it, is the
16bit SYSIII stuff free?
Unfortunately, no. The Ancient UNIX Hobbyist license does not cover it
in any form: http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf. But those
who purchased the $100 OldSCO license have access to SysIII.
20 May
20 May
12:43 a.m.
Oh cool, so as a buyer of the old sco $100 license I suppose I should
contact you about getting SYSIII access ;)
And on that note has anyone installed it on SIMH?
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:27:50PM -0400, Jason
Stevens wrote:
Oh and now that Im thinking about it, is the
16bit SYSIII stuff free?
Unfortunately, no. The Ancient UNIX Hobbyist license does not cover it
in any form: http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf. But those
who purchased the $100 OldSCO license have access to SysIII.
Cheers,
Warren
4:56 a.m.
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 06:48:46AM -1000, Tim Newsham wrote:
So when do the official celebrations begin?
What's a good estimate
of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
Interesting question! And related questions -- When did the current
start of the epoch get chosen? Were there any false starts or early
changes? (I seem to recall reading about one change, moving forward
by a year.) And were there ever any dates in the system that couldn't
be correctly recorded, because the epoch started too late?
The other question is what the official celebrations should celebrate.
Personally, I'd chip in on a big cake with one candle for each year
that a reasonable amount of UNIX source code was available. No way was
UNIX ever open source in the modern sense, but it did set a precedent
and things could have been much worse. When you consider the Bell
System's normal attitude toward proprietary information, the UNIX sources
look even more valuable.
-- Derek
5:16 a.m.
What more (well to me) is that interactive Unix was the first
commercial unix.... I suspect all versions of it's PDP-11 & VAX stuff
is lost forever?
Does anyone know why Kodak would have bought them? I suspect they had
some imaging stuff going....?
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Derek Peschel <dpeschel(a)eskimo.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 06:48:46AM -1000, Tim Newsham
wrote:
So when do the official celebrations begin?
What's a good estimate
of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
Interesting question! And related questions -- When did the current
start of the epoch get chosen? Were there any false starts or early
changes? (I seem to recall reading about one change, moving forward
by a year.) And were there ever any dates in the system that couldn't
be correctly recorded, because the epoch started too late?
The other question is what the official celebrations should celebrate.
Personally, I'd chip in on a big cake with one candle for each year
that a reasonable amount of UNIX source code was available. No way was
UNIX ever open source in the modern sense, but it did set a precedent
and things could have been much worse. When you consider the Bell
System's normal attitude toward proprietary information, the UNIX sources
look even more valuable.
-- Derek
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8:21 a.m.
On 20 May 2009, at 05:56, Derek Peschel wrote:
Interesting question! And related questions -- When
did the current
start of the epoch get chosen? Were there any false starts or early
changes? (I seem to recall reading about one change, moving forward
by a year.) And were there ever any dates in the system that couldn't
be correctly recorded, because the epoch started too late?
I'm not sure of the case in very early Unix, but I think in recent
(4BSD and later is all I know well) history, time has always been a
signed quantity, so you have as long before the epoch as you do
after. My wife has an amusing (in retrospect) story about someone who
decided it would be interesting to see what happened if you set the
clock on a system (these would have been Suns (definitely) running
SunOS 4.x (I think, might have been 3)) close to the end of time and
see what happens when it wraps: the result was a lot of files with
dates in the long distant past, and a lot of work to fix this (which
she forced the perpetrator to undertake I think).
However I have some memory that really early Unix (a) had a different
epoch and (b) counted in different units related to some clock
interrupt - 60ths of a second? - which gave a rather short wraparound.
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