[TUHS] SVR4 x86 -- Sources
neozeed at gmail.com
Wed Jul 13 10:23:41 AEST 2011
wow and I had thought companies paying eachother out to *NOT* do something
was all the rage today...
It'd make perfect sense, SUN have a loyal user base, so why on earth would
they rock the boat with a religious change.
And then there was that whole SYSV to the Commodore Amiga that SUN tried to
piggy back on.... There had to be a lot more to that then meets the eye.
Not to mention Commodore not letting SUN OEM the Amiga 3000/UX was their
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Larry McVoy <lm at bitmover.com> wrote:
> "Joint project". Hmm, I was at Sun at the time, John Pope was across
> the hall from me, he did the SVR4 port to Sun/SPARC.
> To call this joint is complete nonsense. Sun was in a cash bind, AT&T
> wanted to make SVR4 the main Unix platform and SunOS was winning. The
> story I heard, not widely known, is that AT&T bought a big pile of Sun
> stock at 35% over market - in return for which Sun had to dump their BSD
> based SunOS and go to SVR4.
> Biggest mistake Sun ever made in my opinion.
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 05:11:15PM +0200, Michele Ghisolfo wrote:
> > > Contrary to a lot of the distant opinions here,
> > > SVr4 was actually a joint project between USL
> > > (the AT&T commercial-UNIX organization) and Sun.
> > > The intent was to bring together the two different
> > > commercial-UNIX cults (what Stu Feldman once referred
> > > to as Sunni and Shiite UNIX).
> > >
> > > I was at Bell Labs while this was going on, but
> > > well off to the side of the effort, in a research
> > > group where we tended (foolishly) to look down
> > > our noses a bit at the whole thing. I do know that
> > > there were a lot of ruffled feathers within USL
> > > about the allegedly overbearing Sun guys, and it
> > > wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear that there
> > > were similar feelings going the other way. On
> > > the other hand there were some pretty smart
> > > people involved at a technical level on all
> > > sides.
> > >
> > > Certainly it wasn't a one-way street, with BSD-isms
> > > being injected into a USG system or vice versa.
> > >
> > > Norman Wilson
> > > Toronto ON
> > Thanks, Norman. This clarify a lot my confusion about SysV.
> > I'm reading the J. Lions Commentary to V6 UNIX, the ancestor of all
> > UNIXes, including SysV (if I understood correctly). The last Research
> > Unix release was Tenth Edition Unix. Is the source code of
> > releases 8, 9 and 10 available? Are there other commentaries of ancient
> > Research Unixes, like Lions book?
> > Thanks,
> > --Michele
> > P.S. to Cyrille: Again, my apologies for the confusion. I realized my
> > mistake just after I sent the mail. I'm really sorry!
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