[TUHS] First Unix that could run on a PDP-11 with QBUS
clemc at ccc.com
Wed Jul 30 00:33:06 AEST 2014
I can not speak for Australia. I lived the Fifth, Sixth and Seventh
Edition changes in the mid-late 1970s.
At CMU, in the USA we had an early /34 running Fifth Edition in the EE
Department summer of 75/76 ish - right after the /34 came out. There were
lots of 40's around campus and at the time were popular because CMU hacked
them (i.e. the E or Extended version of the 40), but I remember Gordon Bell
got the EE Dept a "deal" on the new single board 11 - i.e. the /34 & it was
We got V6 shortly there after when a couple folks made a road trip to
NJ to see Ken and the EE system did not run V5 very long [frankly, I do not
remember much about it]. I do remember that we had boot strapped /34 from
some 11/40E's in CS - I remember the lack of switch register issue, but I
also seem to remember it was easy fix in m40.s. I've forgotten all the
differences, but I recall that they were small. I do have memories of
going back and forth between the CS and EE bldgs a couple of times until we
got it right.
The bigger issue that bit us was we had to careful about the fact that
the CS folks had implemented CSAVE/CRET in the WCS of the 11/40Es and
hacked on the C compiler to generate that - so binaries from CS could not
move to EE unless that hack was turned off [BTW: That job in EE was my
first experience with C].
The late Ted Kowalski showed up at CMU a few weeks later for his OYOC
year and updated the EE machine to be V6++ system [and also he had copies
of the proofs from Dennis's upcoming book on C ]. Being CMU, we had a lot
of BLISS hackers at the time - so Ted singing C praises was quite a stir --
I was not yet really indoctrinated with the merits of C and remember
arguing with him since at the time the C compilers were not nearly as
polished as the CMU BLISS compilers - although it ran natively which
BLISS/11 could not do].
At the time, a big thing Ted did was introduce us to stdio. Until
then most of the our C code was pretty hackneyed - I seem to remember
something called the portable C library for V6 (I do not remember it as
part of V5 but have been). However, Ted's V6+ compilers used stdio and it
quickly because the EE standard. They must have migrated to CS, but I've
forgotten because by them most of my hacking was on the EE system.
Ted was working on this really cool program to fix the file system
[fsck] - although a number of us worked with him and it was working with
that code - that I started to see what a great language it was and ended up
writing way more C than anything else.
I would clone the EE /34 system for a new job at CMU's Mellon
Institute but by then DEC had created the /34A [I've forgotten the
differences]. Mellon was the first time I ran into a UNIX vs. XX war. One
of the grad students wanted to run RSX-11 - since DEC "supported it." As
a lowly undergrad I was really pleased I won when the EE prof
behind Mellon Institute agreed we "seemed to have something" working
really well in the Dept [plus it must have helped that the Biomed team,
also decided to clone the EE system for their research and not use RSX].
As for the 11/60, upon graduation, I spent my first weekend in Oregon
in late 1979, helping Steve Glaser update the Teklabs /60 to be more CMU
like - but that was likely based on V6. I do not remember when we cut V7
in at Tek, it had been released and I don't remember the details for CMU -
we had to be running V7 by the time I left. At Tek, by the end of 1979, we
had done such a good job with the /60 that we managed to get an 11/70
(without any budget for it which was quite a trick). So, I spent my first
Oregon Christmas bringing V7 up on that system - with the infinite storage
capacity of 3 RP06s [oh boy]. My faint memory is that Tek had a V7
license, but Steve had not yet managed to get V7 running on the /60, only
Also, early in Winter/Spring of '79 before I had left Dan Klein and I
had gone on strike to force CMU to buy a commercial license for Mellon
institute -- which was not using UNIX for teaching for paid research. CMU
would be the first University to get a commercial license, I believe
Case-Western followed suite the next fall when Fred Park returned from
Tek-Labs after heard me talk about what CMU did that summer.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, I wrote:
> > We had /40s all over the place (some dedicated ones had no MMU, and ran
> > a custom program to talk 200-UT to a remote Cyber), two or three /70s (I
> > had no responsibility for those, but we shared code a lot), a /60
> > (interesting box), and a sprinkling of /23s.
> Oops; upon re-reading my article, we had a sprinkling of /34s, with just
> the one /23. I think.
> I'd like to believe that I was the first in Australia to port V6 to the
> /34, the /23, and the /60 (I did a paper on that as well), but if others
> in the rest of the world beat me to it then I never heard about it.
> -- Dave
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