[TUHS] I swear! I rtfm'ed

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2014-12-31 21:14, Clem Cole<clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
>
> Jake - you have lots of help from others and using curses(3) is definitely
> the right way to program.
>
> But to answer your specific question about printf(string), according to
> Chapter 3 (Programmer's Info) of my old VT-100 user's guide, I think what
> is you are doing wrong is that "\033c" is not the ANSI clear to end of
> screen command.

Right...

> When I saw your message on my iPhone last night, the cache said - wait that
> can't be correct.   But I could not remember why.   So I had to wait until
> I got back home today to look in my basement.
>
> As I suspected, it's not an ANSI sequence.  So are you running in VT-100
> (ANSI) mode or VT52 mode?  I ask because it is close to the VT52 cursor
> right command which is actually:  "\033C"  but I do not remember is case
> mattered.

Case do matter.

> In VT52 mode you need to send the terminal:  "\033H\033J" to clear the
> screen.
>
> In ANSI mode, it becomes:  "\033[1;1\033[0J"

Shorter form: "\033[H\033[J"

> A few things to remember:
> 1.) Clear takes the current cursor position and clears from there to end of
> X (where X depends on mode, and type of clear).  So you need to move the
> cursor to home position (aka 1,1).

Not really. It's way more advanced than that.

If we start with the generic clear screen, it is CSI Pn J

Where CSI can be expressed as ESC [ (or "\033[" in the same parlance as 
above.)

Pn, then is an argument to the function, while J is the actual function 
(clear screen in this case).

Now, Pn can cause many things:

0	Clear from cursor to end of screen
1	Clear from cursor to end of screen
2	Clear from beginning of screen to cursor
3	Clear whole screen

If no argument is given, the default is 0.

> 2.) VT-100's did not implement the full ANSI spec like Ann Arbor, Heathkit,
> Wyse etc.  So there are a number of things that those terminals did
> better.  A really good reason to you curses(3) because all the knowledge is
> keep in the termcap and as a programmer you don't need to worry about it.

Probably true. However, I'm not sure Ann Arbor or Heathkit did much 
better. As far as I can remember, they were always more "weird", but I 
might just be confused. However, curses(3) is definitely a good way of 
not having to care about different terminal oddities.

> 3.) I saw sites were VT52 mode was sometimes preferred because it was good
> enough for most editing, and needed fewer chars to do manipulation.  On
> slow serial lines, this sometimes was helpful.  That said, give me an AAA
> any day.  Like others, I still miss that terminal.:-)

Yeah, the VT52 was simpler, and had shorter control strings. But of 
course, with the additional limitations that came with that.

Personally, I'd give an AAA or a Heathkit away if one was dropped on me. 
A VT100 I would keep. :-)

	Johnny

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