[TUHS] Porting 2.11 BSD

[Nick Downing]

According to this:
https://archive.org/stream/bitsavers_zilogz80000mmu_742400/z8010_mmu_djvu.txt
You could use only segment 0 and program the code MMU to point segment 0 to
some physical address and the data and stack MMUs to point segment 0 to
some other physical address and you have a split I/D system capable of
running 2.11bsd assuming the compiler knows nothing of segments as you
said. Or, as outlined in my previous posts you can use a compiler that has
23-bit pointers and understands how to output the high 7 bits as the
segment and the low 16 bits as the logical address each time it
dereferences a pointer (if such a compiler exists) and port 4.3bsd.

Nick
On 25/11/2015 9:15 PM, "Oliver Lehmann" <lehmann at ans-netz.de> wrote:

>
> Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
>
> On 11/23/15 12:40 AM, Erik E. Fair wrote:
>>
>>> The undergrads who used that system to learn Unix ported many
>>> a BSD
>>> utility to that system (at least the ones that weren't too RAM-hungry),
>>> starting with BerkNet so we could move files around easily & have E-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That reminds me that you are going to run into utilities that use the
>> overlaying ld that jumps through hoops to get large programs (vi) to run
>> in a 16 bit address space.
>>
>
> Good point. I was also thinking if 2.11 is realy the right choice to use
> for porting. From what I understood:
>
> - The PDP11 can only access up to 64KB address space.
> - 2.11 uses overlay to "show" and "hide" memory into this 64K address
>   space.
>
> A Z8001 can address up to 128 segments of 64KB. Means, a single array can
> only be up to 64KB, but you can have 8MB of memory per "section". My system
> has 3 MMUs while one is dedicated to the code section and one to the data
> section. So my Code section can be max up to 8MB and my data section can be
> up to additional 8MB. Currently my system has up to 5.5MB of RAM (but can
> be upgraded to 16MB easily)
>
> I was thinking if 4.3 BSD would be better to port as the whole overlay
> logic
> which is implemented in 2.11 could make 2.11 maybe to complex to port? I
> mean, all this overlay logic would not be needed for the Z8001 and it maybe
> would not even work. (remember - I plan to use my existing SYSIII compiler
> which knows nothing about overlaying!)
>
> What I understand for 4.3 BSD is, that it is meant to run on machines with
> a memory configuration where the memory is adressable in "one block" which
> is of course not true for the Z8001. But - the compiler/assembler handles
> all this adressing for C code so why should it be imported on how the is
> addressed internaly?
>
> Additionaly, my system has NO floating point support. The current SYSIII
> uses a lengthy floating point emulation Assembler Source to "work around"
> that:
> https://github.com/OlliL/P8000/blob/master/WEGA/src/uts/conf/fpe.s
>
> I saw, that 2.11 also has some FPU-emulation. What about 4.3?
>
> Could 4.3 be a better choice? If so - which 4.3 should I use?
>
> In general - I'm looking for a good target OS. It should be not too
> complex (-> "modern") but should provide a TCP/IP stack which is my
> main motivation in porting at all.
>
>
> I'll dig through my archives and see if there was a Z8000 version of pcc
>> in the MIT compiler kit.
>>
>
> That would be great - maybe you could also answer my private mail about
> the Onyx C8002 I sent you some days ago ;)
> The compilers for Z8000 I found so far where either able to address 64K
> only, or where able to only generate COFF-format objects which I can't
> link on my SYSIII...
>
>
> Oliver
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