[TUHS] NSA MILNET IMP 57 & Explosive Bolts
Don Hopkins
don at donhopkins.com
Sat Jan 5 08:43:58 AEST 2019
On 4 Jan 2019, at 21:46, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
>From where did that wonderful clip come? It's clearly a sequence from something else. I've never seen it before.
>Thanks,
>Clem
They were from my email archives of Hackers_Guild and the umd cs department staff mailing list. Does anybody else have any h_g archives sitting around?
Here’s some more funny stuff about the NSA! Gotta love how Brian Reid and Rick Adams weigh in. ;)
-Don
From: yee at dali.berkeley.edu (Peter E. Yee)
Subject: For those who missed 997 at lll-crg, here it is
Date: 19 November 1985 at 15:58:08 CET
To: hackers_guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
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Path: lll-crg!bandy
From: bandy at lll-crg.ARpA (Andrew Scott Beals)
Newsgroups: net.net-people
Subject: oh YES the NSA is on the net!
Message-ID: <997 at lll-crg.ARpA>
Date: 19 Nov 85 07:11:36 GMT
Date-Received: 19 Nov 85 07:11:36 GMT
References: <324 at ucdavis.UUCP> <2253 at umcp-cs.UUCP>
Reply-To: bandy at lll-crg.UUCP (Andrew Scott Beals)
Distribution: net
Organization: Computation Research Group, Lawrence Livermore Labs
Lines: 94
Summary: (let's say) unintentional dis-information corrected
In article <2253 at umcp-cs.UUCP> tlr at umcp-cs.UUCP (Terry L. Ridder) writes:
I can almost guarantee that the National Security Agency is
not on USENET or ARPANET. I can further almost guarantee that
very few employees of NSA are even aware that USENET exist.
Signed
Terry L. Ridder
UUCP: seismo!(mimsy.umd.edu|neurad)!bilbo!wiretap!(root|tlr)
^^^^^^^
PHONE: 301-490-2248 (home) 301-859-6642 (work)
Right.
There used to be a host called "TYCHO" (nickname "NSA") at host
zero on imp fifty-seven. (26.0.0.57) (information taken from the old
NIC (Network Information Center for Internet) host tables)
Now there is a machine called "DOCKMASTER" on that same imp port
(TYCHO was an old PDP-11 running version 6 unix (which rumors had
flown for quite some time that someone actually proved was secure)).
Here is what the NIC has to say about DOCKMASTER:
The National Computer Security Center (DOCKMASTER)
820 Elkridge Landing Road
Room A1127, Building FANX-II
Linthicum, MD 21090
NetAddress: 26.0.0.57
Nicknames: NCSC-MULTICS
Host Administrator and Liaison:
Aliff, Stephen W. (SWA1) Aliff.DODCSC at MIT-MULTICS
(301) 850-5888
Multics, if I remember correctly, was just given some level of
certification by the government that it was secure. Interesting, no?
Unfortunately, I'm not nearly as much of a Packrat as some might like
to think so I don't have a Maryland phone book (I do have my silly
putty though), so I can't tell you where this exchange is located
(nor where Terry's work number is located). However, looking up
Linthicum MD (I was born and raised just north of DC) shows that
it's just north of BWI (airport). There is a NASA center right near
there and next to that is an un-marked (of course) NSA center.
All of this points that imp 57 is still NSA's imp.
NIC has this to say about host 1 on imp 57:
National Security Agency (COINS-GATEWAY)
COINS Network Control Center
Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755
NetAddress: 26.1.0.57
Nicknames: COINS
Host Administrator and Liaison:
Smith, Ronald L. (RLS6) COINS at USC-ISI
(301) 688-6375
The NIC generally likes to give a machine the name "-GATEWAY" when
that machine is a gateway into another part of the internet. (the
machine type of COINS is a Plurbus, which is a multiprocessor
gateway machine manufactured by BBN (the folks who do the ARPANET
and MILNET hardware).
In any case, it seems that Mr Ridder is un-(or mis-?)informed.
Side note: at the last (Portland) USENIX, I happened across a
gentlemen (very cleancut) whose badge listed him as working for the
"Department of Defense, Fort Meade Maryland". I said "Oh, you're one
of those NSA guys!" To which he replied "How did you know?!"...
"Everyone else in DOD says /which/ part of DOD they work for..."
andrew scott beals
lawrence livermore national laboratory/university of california
Pooh-bah for LLL-CRG.ARPA
(415) 423-1948 (work) (533-1948 (FTS))
ps. In case anyone is wondering and before you go giving my name to
people that I don't want to talk to (like the Kind Folks at the NSA
(but I'm sure they've heard of me or will before I finish up with my
current round of paperwork with the DOE/OPM/FBI)), I obtained all of
this information through public channels.
--
There once was a thing called a V-2,
To pilot which you did not need to--
You just pushed a button,
And it would leave nuttin'
But stiffs and big holes and debris, too.
andy beals - bandy at lll-crg.arpa - {seismo,ihnp4!sun,dual}!lll-crg!bandy
From: jordan at ucbarpa.berkeley.edu (Jordan Hayes)
Subject: Re: ``dockmaster''
Date: 19 November 1985 at 16:27:34 CET
To: hackers_guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
for those so inclined, they should look at what is on port 2 of that
imp ... hmmm ... sorta like putting the CIA on port 4 of imp 78 ...
/jordan
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: Re: ``dockmaster''
Date: 19 November 1985 at 18:27:27 CET
To: hackers_guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu, jordan at ucbarpa.berkeley.edu
Maryland lets NSA people use mimsy. The NSA is interested in the
supercomputer designs that they're working on there... (which is
why they have an imp connection)
In any case, I just got a long note from Mr Ridder. I'll forward
it to you when I'm done reading my mail...
andy
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: message from Mr. Ridder
Date: 19 November 1985 at 18:31:44 CET
To: hackers_guild at lll-crg.ARPA
From tlr at mimsy.umd.edu Tue Nov 19 06:13:44 1985
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 85 09:12:54 EST
From: Terry L. Ridder <tlr at mimsy.umd.edu>
Subject: Your posting
Mr. Andrew Scott Beals
I am writing to inform you of at least two facts:
The computer named "wiretap" belongs to my children,
age 9, age 7, age 2. Jennifer, the 7 year old, named
the computer. Sarah, the 9 year old, named the other
computer "bilbo".
Bilbo and wiretap are both private machines. The are
owned by my family and I. They are in no way shape or
form associated with the NSA.
Concerning your posting, I am concerned that you have
no regard for the safety of federal employees. Your
posting is marked for distribution "net", if you would
look at the two previous posting they are marked for
distribution 'usa'. Therefore, you probably have just
told most of the world the location of what you believe
to be an NSA facility. This probably has made the location
a target for any of a number of terrorist groups. What if
you are wrong? You have place in danger the lifes of
innocent people. Just because you may think you know something
does not mean that you tell most of the world.
I would hope that in the future that you would take the
time to think about all the ramifications before making
a posting, similiar in nature to the one in question.
I would hope that you will send out a cancel message on
your posting, before it gets to far.
I sincerely hope that you restrict your speculations about
my family's association with any federal agency. I hope
also that you are mature enough to post an apology for
inferring that my computers were associated with the NSA.
I do not want to think of what the implications are from
that speculation on your part. You may have damaged my
family's reputation and my own reputation.
Please be a little more responsible in the future.
Engage brain before fingers.
Signed
Terry L. Ridder
for the Terry L. Ridder family
---------------------
From: fair at ucbarpa.berkeley.edu (Erik E. Fair)
Subject: Re: message from Mr. Ridder
Date: 19 November 1985 at 18:42:34 CET
To: bandy at lll-crg.ARPA
Cc: Hackers_Guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
I wonder if this bozoid has ever read `The Puzzle Palace'?
It identifies several `secret' NSA installations, including
one out in the wilds of Sonoma, just over the border from
Marin County, along the road from Tomales to Petaluma. All
from public sources and Freedom Of Information Act suits.
Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair at ucbarpa.berkeley.edu
P.S. Be sure to waive hello in your Email to the folks at the
Maryland Procurement Office...
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: Re: message from Mr. Ridder
Date: 19 November 1985 at 19:11:36 CET
To: fair at ucbarpa.berkeley.edu
Cc: Hackers_Guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
[mimsy.umd.edu]
Login name: tlr In real life: Terry L. Ridder
Office: Laurel MD 20707 Office phone: 859-6642
Home phone: 490-2248 Arpanet Sponsor
Directory: /u/tlr Shell: /bin/csh
Last login Tue Nov 19 09:17 on tty04
Project: To find a new job, raise three children, and have time for the wife.
Plan: To move overseas.
----------------------
Well, this is what it has to say about him. Arpanet sponsor, eh?
andy
From: fair at ucbarpa.berkeley.edu (Erik E. Fair)
Subject: Re: message from Mr. Ridder
Date: 19 November 1985 at 19:48:41 CET
To: bandy at lll-crg.ARPA
Cc: Hackers_Guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Ask Chris Torek what an `Arpanet Sponsor' is...
Erik
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: more follies, dt if uninterested
Date: 20 November 1985 at 02:10:30 CET
To: hackers_guild at lll-crg.ARPA
Seems that the gentleman doesn't read his fucking news before going
off at the handle. I sent him an "Excuse me, but if you look at
article ..." note.
LLL General consul? Snicker snicker. Maybe Postmaster or root or
usenet will get a nice note from him telling me what a Bad Boy I've
been... :-)
andy
-----------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 85 18:46:28 EST
From: Terry L. Ridder <tlr at mimsy.umd.edu>
Subject: apology is inorder
Mr. Andrew Scott Beals
I again ask that you act in a mature manner and post an
apology concerning your inferring that my private computers
are associated with the NSA.
If you choose not to, would you be kind enough to inform me
what the phone number is for LLL general consul is?
Signed
Terry L. Ridder
From: jordan at ucbarpa.berkeley.edu (Jordan Hayes)
Subject: Re: ridder me this ...
Date: 20 November 1985 at 02:59:22 CET
To: hackers_guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Methinks either the man is an idiot or he's not really a force to
be reckoned with. If his main mail machine is mimsy, that means he's
on the same imp ... since NSA people have accounts at umd, maybe he's
FROM the NSA ... hmmm ...
/jordan
From: Milo S. Medin (NASA ARC Code ED) <medin at orion.ARPA>
Subject: Re: message from Mr. Ridder
Date: 20 November 1985 at 03:03:55 CET
To: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Cc: fair at ucbarpa.berkeley.edu, Hackers_Guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
LLL general counsel? uh oh..... That means lawyers....
Milo
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: ridder me this
Date: 20 November 1985 at 03:14:56 CET
To: hackers_guild at lll-crg.ARPA
One of my sources tells me that Mr Ridder is indeed an NSA person. Chris
Torek told me that an "Arpanet Sponsor" in their terminology means that
he's one of the people who helped them get on the network.
andy
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Ridder me this (qualification)
Date: 20 November 1985 at 03:31:22 CET
To: bandy at ll-crg.ARPA, deboor%buddy at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Cc: hackers_guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Oh, I already sent him an apology. Here it is:
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From: bandy at lll-crg.ARpA (Andrew Scott Beals)
Newsgroups: net.net-people
Subject: Apology to Terry Ridder
Message-ID: <998 at lll-crg.ARpA>
Date: 19 Nov 85 17:37:12 GMT
Date-Received: 19 Nov 85 17:37:12 GMT
References: <324 at ucdavis.UUCP> <2253 at umcp-cs.UUCP> <997 at lll-crg.ARpA>
Reply-To: bandy at lll-crg.UUCP (Andrew Scott Beals)
Distribution: net
Organization: Computation Research Group, Lawrence Livermore Labs
Lines: 15
I would like to take this opportunity to formally extend my
apologies to Terry L. Ridder (tlr at mimsy.umd.edu) and his family for
insinuating that their home machines (bilbo and wiretap) and any
association with any Federal agency (the NSA in this case).
andrew scott beals
uc/llnl
--
There once was a thing called a V-2,
To pilot which you did not need to--
You just pushed a button,
And it would leave nuttin'
But stiffs and big holes and debris, too.
andy beals - bandy at lll-crg.arpa - {seismo,ihnp4!sun,dual}!lll-crg!bandy
---------------------
What was interesting was that the file was ~news/net/net-people/666 ...
Tee hee hee.
andy
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: calling LLL {lawyers,diplomats}
Date: 20 November 1985 at 03:38:35 CET
To: hackers_guild at lll-crg.ARPA
Of course, they'll tell him that "Anything that our employees say
is their own opinion unless they are a member of the LLNL Public
Information group and are speaking in an official capacity."
"Pin-heads. Pin-heads. Roly-poly pin-heads. Pin-heads. Pin-heads.
Watch them lose. Yow!"
andy
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: teehee
Date: 20 November 1985 at 17:18:25 CET
To: hackers_guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
From reid at glacier Wed Nov 20 06:59:01 1985
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 85 06:57:35 pst
From: Brian Reid <reid at glacier>
Subject: Re: Apology to Terry Ridder
Newsgroups: net.net-people
Organization: Stanford University, Computer Systems Lab
Terry Ridder is one of the biggest assholes on earth, and I can't fathom
anybody owing him an apology about anything. Oh well.
--
Brian Reid decwrl!glacier!reid
Stanford reid at SU-Glacier.ARPA
From: Andrew Scott Beals <bandy at lll-crg.ARPA>
Subject: philngai on tlr
Date: 21 November 1985 at 07:21:35 CET
To: hackers_guild at lll-crg.ARPA
From amdcad!phil Wed Nov 20 20:41:58 1985
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 85 20:08:04 pst
From: amdcad!phil (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: message from Mr. Ridder
what kind of asshole names a computer wiretap and then complains when
others make seemingly reasonable assumptions about it?
who should engage their brain, that's what i want to know.
--
Raise snails for fun and profit! Race them for amusement! Then eat the losers!
Phil Ngai +1 408 749-5720
UUCP: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra}!amdcad!phil
ARPA: amdcad!phil at decwrl.dec.com
From: cuuxb!jab at lll-crg.ARPA
Subject: Re: message from Mr. Ridder
Date: 24 November 1985 at 02:25:13 CET
To: lll-crg!sdcsvax.arpa!hutch at lll-crg.ARPA
Cc: lll-crg!hackers_guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
The Ridder guy is a jerk. I would wonder why the ARPANET knows about his
private machines, anyhow: sounds like a misuse of government funding.
Jeff Bowles
Lisle, IL
From: Donnalyn Frey <donnalyn at seismo.css.gov>
Subject: Re: private machines on internet
Date: 24 November 1985 at 06:08:34 CET
To: cuuxb!jab at lll-crg.ARPA, deboor%buddy at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Cc: hackers_guild at ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Ridders machines are NOT on the arpanet. They have uucp links to
Uof Maryland. Ridder himself has an account on mimsy.umd.edu.
Ridders two machines were named by his children. ONe had
just finished reading teh Hobbit (hence bilbo, despite the
2 other known bilbos [not to be confused with certain dildos being discussed])
and the other had finished some spy book, hence wiretap.
He is quite pompous and seems to think the world revolves around
him. We asked him to rename "bilbo" to not conflict. He replied that
the other machines should change because he had already named his
machine.
By the way, we're talking about toys here (maybe somthing as expensive
as an IBM-PC) not the "real" machines you might be led to believe.
He is best ignored.
---rick
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