[TUHS] CMU Mach sources?

[Larry McVoy]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 05:55:28PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 05:45:23PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > 
> > Like I said, I can point anyone at code I wrote as a grad student that 
> > while I'm not proud of the style, it has style and it is clean.  Just
> > because you are a grad student that doesn't excuse messy code.  If you
> > write messy code then you're a bad hire.
> > 
> 
> This is akin to complaining about laborers not polishing railroad spikes
> before hammering them into the sleepers.  It's hard enough to find
> people willing to touch computers at all for grad-student "wages," much
> less ones both capable & willing to be held to production-code standards
> on budgets that barely put food on the table, one fiscal year at a time.

It is not about wages, when I was a grad student I got $16K and had to 
pay tuition and rent and everything else out of that.

It's not about money.  It's about caring about your craft.  I cared,
the people I have worked with in industry cared, if they didn't I
left.

The point I was trying to make was that you can be a student and still
be a pro.  Or not.  The pros care about their craft.  The Mach people,
in my you-get-what-you-paid-for opinion, were not pros.  They got a
lot done in a sloppy way and they left a mess.

I don't know how to say it more clearly, there are plenty examples of
students that wrote clean code.  Mach was cool, clean code it was not.