[TUHS] CMU Mach sources?

Ben Greenfield ben at cogs.com
Thu Jun 27 05:32:32 AEST 2019




> On Jun 26, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Chris Hanson <cmhanson at eschatologist.net> wrote:
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> One thing to remember about Mach is that it really was a *research* project. Some of the things that have been complained about, e.g. “pointless” or “needless” abstraction and layering, were done specifically to examine the effects of having those layers of abstraction. Does their presence enable different approaches to problems?

I’m surprised the study of Mach needs any justification.
Mach certainly happened and is certainly enjoys a large and growing installed base.
I’m bothered that some feel the need to belittle the interests of others.

I would be more impressed if those criticizing weren’t so hand-wavy and had more specific points….




> Do they enable new features altogether? What’s given up by having them? And so on.
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> Just as an example, a lot of the complexity in the Mach VM system comes from the idea that it could provide a substrate for all sorts of different types of systems, and it could have all sorts of different mechanisms underneath supporting it. This means that Mach’s creators got to do things like try dedicated network virtual memory, purpose-specific pagers, compressing pagers, etc. You may not need as much flexibility in a non-research system.
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> For another example, Mach did a lot of extra work around things like processor sets that wouldn’t be needed on (say) a dual-CPU shared-cache uniform-memory systems, but turns out to be important when dealing with things like systems with a hierarchy of CPUs, caches, and memories. Did they know about all the possible needs for that before they started?
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> Having met some of them, the people who created and worked on Mach were passionate about exploring the space of operating system architecture and worked to create a system that would be a good vehicle for that. That wasn’t their only goal—they were also part of the group creating what was at the time CMU’s next-generation academic computing environment—but the sum of their goals generally led to a very pragmatic approach to making things possible to try while also shipping.
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>  -- Chris
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