[TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM
athornton at gmail.com
Sun Apr 4 12:50:51 AEST 2021
Misremembered the year. That conference was October 2000. I just found
the bookbag I got as swag from it.
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 7:46 PM Adam Thornton <athornton at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 8:54 PM Wesley Parish <wobblygong at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So from IBM's POV, they could
>> support Linux - which by then had already been ported to the VM/370
>> and there was already talk of porting it to the later mainframe
>> iterations. I don't think anybody was even thinking of porting any of
>> the *BSD to IBM mainframes till much later, am I right?
> This is not how I remember it going down.
> There was an external-to-IBM "Bigfoot" port to S/390 (not S/370) that IBM
> was ignoring until it got alarmingly close to booting, and then all of a
> sudden there was an IBM port to S/390. Clearly (well, *I* thought it was
> clear) they'd had a skunkworks project for some time and Bigfoot forced
> their hand. (Unix v7 *did* run on S/370, and resurrecting that is one of
> my hobby projects that hasn't really gotten off the ground).
> I was the system administrator of the first publicly-accessible
> Linux-on-S/390 machine--penguinvm.princeton.edu--and indeed in the late 90s
> I and my mentor David Boyes met with some pretty high-level people at IBM
> to advise them how we thought they should proceed. They seemed to take
> much of our advice, but then again I don't think we said anything very
> crazy. (At the time, and for years thereafter, I was with Sine Nomine
> Associates. They're still around.)
> I also later managed the port of OpenSolaris to zSeries, which, if IBM had
> bought Sun rather than Oracle, would have made my life very different.
> Neale Ferguson did most of the heavy lifting on that port, but I did a lot
> of the tool porting and wrote a disk driver. Alas, IBM tightened the
> screws a little too far and apparently didn't know that Sun had an offer
> from Oracle in its back pocket.
> But back to the S/390 port--I went to a Linux conference in Atlanta in the
> late 90s ('99, I think) to speak about Linux on S390/Z, and I actually went
> by the NetBSD booth to say, "hey, I can maybe hook you guys up with a
> development virtual machine," and what I got was an earful about "your
> so-called portability" from someone who was clearly much more invested in
> hating Linux than in, you know, saying, "wow, OK, I realize you're not
> offering me cycles on a super-awesome machine, but, yeah, it's not nothing,
> cool, here's who you should talk to if you're interested in getting a port
> So I don't think you can lay all the blame on BSD inaction on Linux, is
> all I'm saying. By '99, I think it was, maybe if NetBSD, which already had
> its reputation for spectacular portability, hadn't staffed its booth with a
> jackass still trying to fight the Unix Wars, that story might have turned
> out differently.
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