[TUHS] Sockets vs Streams (was Re: forgotten versions

Dan Stromberg drsalists at gmail.com
Sat Jun 18 08:52:31 AEST 2022

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 9:24 AM Bakul Shah <bakul at iitbombay.org> wrote:

> On Jun 16, 2022, at 4:44 PM, George Michaelson <ggm at algebras.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sockets (which btw, totally SUCK PUS) were coded into things
> > and even (YECHH) made POSIX and IETF spec status. Streams didn't stand
> > a chance.
> The stream abstraction is a nice (c)lean abstraction but it doesn't
> quite work for things like multicast or datagrams in general. Plan9
> doesn't have sockets but the way it deals with UDP is not simple either.
> The complexity is in the protocols themselves. Even at layer 2 (below
> the IP layer) the amount of complexity is mind boggling (though I
> suppose high-speed backbone switches do all this in hardware!).

I've heard good things about Streams, but never really had a problem with
Sockets once I realized that send's and recv's don't necessarily have a 1-1

I do think that Sockets need something analogous to stdio though.

And I believe inetd allowed you to do that.
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