[TUHS] LOC [was Re: Re: Re.: Princeton's "Unix: An Oral History": who was in the team in "The Attic"?

Dan Cross crossd at gmail.com
Wed Nov 9 18:41:24 AEST 2022

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022, 1:57 PM Marc Donner <marc.donner at gmail.com> wrote:

> My buds in the SRE community confirm that Twitter laid off the entire SRE
> team, since of course they didn't write enough code.  Good luck with
> keeping the system up.

It's ok. I'm sure users can just fax problem reports to Elon.

To tie this back to TUHS a little bit...when did being a "sysadmin" become
a thing unto itself? And is it just me, or has that largely been superceded
by SRE (which I think of as what one used to, perhaps, call a "system
programmer") and DevOps, which feels like a more traditional Unix-y kind of

        - Dan C.

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> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:52 PM Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 2:34 PM Charles H Sauer (he/him) <
>> sauer at technologists.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2022 3:14 PM, Michael Kjörling wrote:
>>> > On 11 Oct 2022 13:10 -0700, from lm at mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy):
>>> >>> Isn't it relatively well established, though, that IBM culture at
>>> >>> least for a very long time put heavy emphasis on counting lines of
>>> >>> source code, and that more SLOC was considered to be better?
>>> >>
>>> >> That's just stupid.
>>> >
>>> > You're getting no argument from me there.
>>> >
>>> It was likely true that some parts of IBM put heavy emphasis on LOC, but
>>> as Marc points out, that wasn't true in Research. I don't remember heavy
>>> LOC emphasis in AIX groups, and I suspect even in Boca (OS/2) there was
>>> not "heavy" emphasis.
>> Speaking of "just stupid"
>> Word on the street is that Elon Musk stack ranked the engineers by lines
>> of code
>> over the last year (source: https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter) and layed
>> off the bottom
>> performers in terms of LoC...
>> Not 100% sure this is legit, since some tweets about it have been deleted.
>> Warners
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