[TUHS] Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register

[Nevin Liber]

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 7:09 PM Luther Johnson <luther.johnson at makerlisp.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Greg here. In fact even if it was well done, it is
> declaring something that wasn't really a problem, to be a problem, to
> insert itself as the solution, but I think it's just extra stuff and
> steps that ultimately obfuscates and creates yet more dependencies.
>

That's a really bold claim.  You may not like the solution (I don't tend to
comment on it because unlike some here, I recognize that build systems are
a Hard Problem and I don't know how to make a better solution), but that
doesn't mean it isn't solving real problems.

But I'll bite.  There was the claim by Larry McVoy that "Writing Makefiles
isn't that hard".

Please show these beautiful makefiles for a non-toy non-trivial product
(say, something like gcc or llvm), which make it easy to change platforms,
underlying compilers, works well with modern multicore processors, gets the
dependencies right (one should never have to type "make clean" to get a
build working correctly), etc. and doesn't require blindly running some 20K
line shell script like "configure" to set it up.
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