[TUHS] Building programs (Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register

Alexis flexibeast at gmail.com
Fri Jun 21 09:35:18 AEST 2024


Bakul Shah via TUHS <tuhs at tuhs.org> writes:

> To build a set of objects you need to worry about at least the
> following:
> - build recipes for each of them (which may also depend on other
> things)
> - configuration parameters
> - dealing with differences on each platform
> - third party libraries & alternatives
> - toolchains (& may be cross-platform builds)
> - supporting/navigating different versions of the last 3 above
>
> You can't really precompute all this as there are far too many
> combinations and they keep changing.

Both the blog author (who is a long-time sysadmin with many 'war 
stories') and myself understand all that.

i believe the idea is not for precomputing to be done by _builds_, 
but to be done on and for a given machine and its configuration, 
independent of any specific piece of software, which is then 
_queried_ by builds. That precomputation would only need to be 
re-run when one of the things under its purview changes.

If i compile something on one of my OpenBSD boxen in the morning, 
and then compile some other thing in the afternoon, without an OS 
upgrade in-between, autoconf isn't going to find that libc.so has 
changed in-between. If i did the same thing on my Gentoo box, it's 
theoretically possible that e.g. i've moved from glibc to musl 
in-between, but in that case, precomputation could be done in 
postinst (i.e. as part of the post-installation-of-musl process).


Alexis.


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