[TUHS] Sam and Late BTL Work (was End of an era: the last ATC (USENIX Annual Technical Conference))

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On Thursday, July 17th, 2025 at 10:44 PM, Rob Pike <robpike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sam had it, acme took it (and much else) from Sam.
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> -rob
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> On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 3:22 PM Noel Hunt <noel.hunt at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > But that is far less useful than having two windows into the same
> > > file where the mods to each window go to the same file. Think
> > > looking at code that has the structs at the top of the file and you
> > > need to wack a struck and wack the code that uses that struct.
> > > Quite pleasant.
> > 
> > 
> > You will find that this is exactly what 'Zerox' in acme does.

Sam is indeed nice but I have not quite gotten to the point of using it daily.  For my hobby projects I rarely launch an X session, opting to simply work from the framebuffer console instead.  I don't have a graphical editor of choice these days though so Sam is certainly on the docket whenever I start using a windowing environment heavily outside of web browsing again.  End of the day though I like being able to do the bulk of what I do sitting at any given computer from the console.  I have a VT100 that I've finally restored to perfect health I plan on setting up in my bedroom as a true terminal (routed through my Dataphone modems down to my office machine).

To hopefully inspire some interesting discussion, was Sam ever formally supported by AT&T as an editor in System V, either OpenLook or X environments?  Or did it never escape Plan 9 as far as AT&T's commercial UNIX offerings go?  In a more general sense I find the later genetic flow from BTL et. al. to USL intriguing since the Labs were already onto things so far ahead of what System V was in the commercial scene.

- Matt G.