[TUHS] forgotten versions

George Michaelson ggm at algebras.org
Fri Jun 17 09:44:02 AEST 2022

Another take on this is Mike Lesk's saying "its easy to occupy a
vacuum its harder to push something aside" said of UUCP.

v7 exploded into the world, and made BSD and SunOS happen.

v8 and 9 and 10 had to work harder to get mindshare because something
was already there.

things like rc were too "confrontational" to a mind attuned to bourne
shell.  Sockets (which btw, totally SUCK PUS) were coded into things
and even (YECHH) made POSIX and IETF spec status. Streams didn't stand
a chance.

basically, v7 succeeded too well, for v8/9/10 to get mindshare. I
agree it sucks they aren't documented, its just wrong: Serious OS
history needs to look beyond the narrow path in view. I'd say anyone
who doesn't write about them at length hasn't done their homework.


On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 9:18 AM George Michaelson <ggm at algebras.org> wrote:
> you're not wrong, but the other take on this is that the AT&T
> licensing and some other things tended to make the circle of people
> who could "see" this code significantly smaller than those feeding off
> Unix 32V/v7 -> BSD -> Solaris.
> this isn't meant to imply you did anything "wrong" -It was probably a
> huge distraction having randoms begging for a tape of v8/9/10 with low
> to no willingness to "give back"
> -G
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 9:06 AM Rob Pike <robpike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Excited as I was to see this history of Unix code in a single repository:
> >
> > https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo
> >
> > it continues the long-standing tradition of ignoring all the work done at Bell Labs after v7. I consider v8 v9 v10 to be worth of attention, even influential, but to hear this list talk about it - or discussions just about anywhere else - you'd think they never existed. There are exceptions, but this site does reinforce the broadly known version of the story.
> >
> > It's doubly ironic for me because people often mistakenly credit me for working on Unix, but I landed at the Labs after v7 was long dispatched. At the Labs, I first worked on what became v8.
> >
> > I suppose it's because the history flowed as this site shows, with BSD being the driving force for a number of reasons, but it feels to me that a large piece of Unix history has been sidelined.
> >
> > I know it's a whiny lament, but those neglected systems had interesting advances.
> >
> > -rob
> >

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