[TUHS] python

[Bakul Shah]

I have not heard such horror stories about Common Lisp (or may be I have forgotten them!). My impression is that python doesn't quite have the kind of {meta,}programming tools Common Lisp has. CL has been used for large critical programs. Perhaps Von Rossum had more experience with statically typed languages than Lisp (because -- pure speculation here -- if he had used CL enough, he would never have designed python :-)

> On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:32 AM, Rob Pike <robpike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I once inherited maintenance of a critical piece of infrastructure written in exquisitely well written, tested, and documented Python. I mean it, it was really really good.
> 
> It crashed about once a week and I had to fix it over and over because in those exponentially vast combinations of paths through the code would arise yet another way to turn a string into a list, or something analogous. It was hell.
> 
> Critical code needs static typing.
> 
> -rob
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:56 PM Bakul Shah <bakul at iitbombay.org <mailto:bakul at iitbombay.org>> wrote:
>> python can certainly implement tail call optimization (TCO). Pretty much any language can implement TCO but for some reason people think such programs are harder to debug (and yet they don't similarly complain about loops!). The beauty of Scheme was that it *mandated* tail recursion. 
>> 
>> > On Aug 2, 2023, at 8:24 PM, George Michaelson <ggm at algebras.org <mailto:ggm at algebras.org>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Tail recursion not lazy eval.
>> > 
>> > I wish words meant what I meant "inside" when I think them, not
>> > "outside" what they mean when I write them.
>> 

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