[TUHS] AIX moved into maintainance mode

segaloco via TUHS tuhs at tuhs.org
Thu Jan 19 02:48:23 AEST 2023


I've been waffling between Linux and FreeBSD as a main driver the past few years.  While I generally find Linux to be all around more responsive and compatible with hardware, I find configuration and system maintenance much more cut and dry on BSD's in general.  /etc feels a bit less like a jumbled mess and I can usually expect things to just "work" whereas Linux sometimes there's some hefty finagling to figure out where distro author X decided to put feature or file Y despite 30 other distros and other UNIXes even putting it in the same place.  To be fair, BSDs only win out here due to numbers, of course more Linux distros = more entropy.

This is largely the phenomenon that pushed me into building my systems up from scratch moreso then not.  Then the only people deciding how my system works are myself and the package authors, not some middle layer of distro managers that all seem to have conflicting ideas of how a UNIX system should work and present itself.  If I can do all sorts of fancy desktop things but can't even expect ed(1) and vi(1) to be around, how can it be called a UNIX-like?

- Matt G.

------- Original Message -------
On Wednesday, January 18th, 2023 at 8:19 AM, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:


> Pretty unrealistic to expect the users to suddenly have the time to do
> kernel dev. Solaris opened sourced itself and it's dead.
> 
> It's a lot of work to maintain and evolve an OS. Windows, MacOS, and
> Linux seem like the future.
> 
> As for BSD, they pretty much killed themselves by all the in-fighting and
> the lack of someone like Linus. That was obvious 30 years ago and it
> hasn't changed. That's why I switched from BSD to Linux.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 04:10:34PM +0000, segaloco wrote:
> 
> > I just hope we'll see some attempts at opening up these code bases as time goes on. Seeing as they're no longer going to be pushing new copies and will eventually ramp down maintenance releases, opening up the source would give their end users the ability to potentially float their own improvements if they can't immediately migrate to Linux or BSD. That said, security implications of course, don't want to just hand bad actors a code base to comb for memory unsafety in.
> > 
> > Also this article is BSD erasure :(, no mentions of the big three save that OpenServer and Darwin have chunks of FreeBSD in them. I guess Berkeley is just chopped liver...
> > 
> > - Matt G.
> > 
> > ------- Original Message -------
> > On Wednesday, January 18th, 2023 at 7:14 AM, Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com wrote:
> > 
> > > It makes perfect sense, it's a repeated story, commercial loses out
> > > to free.
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 08:13:13AM -0700, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Interestingly enough, Phil Hughes, who founded Linux Journal
> > > > in the early 1990s, predicted that this would happen one day.
> > > > This was in a private conversation we had. I thought he
> > > > was crazy, but he was right.
> > > > 
> > > > arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/17/unix_is_dead/
> > > > > 
> > > > > FYI.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Arnold
> > > 
> > > --
> > > ---
> > > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat
> 
> 
> --
> ---
> Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat


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