[TUHS] FD 2

[Larry McVoy]

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 10:16:25AM -0500, Dan Cross wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 10:02 AM Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 07:09:55PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote:
> > > And then we have pttys, speaking of pitys.
> >
> > I'm not seeing how you do stuff like ssh into a remote system and have
> > job control, etc, work without some sort of tty.
> 
> You don't. But perhaps that model isn't super great.
> 
> There was no job control on plan9 and I can't say I ever missed it. If
> I needed another terminal, I just swept open another window. Job
> control, even remote access a la SSH (or telnet, or rlogin), are a bit
> of an historical accident. If, instead, my computing environment is
> the set of shared resources I've imported into my system, then I don't
> necessarily need something like that. The plan9 `cpu` command, for
> access to a remote CPU server, conceptually brought the CPU server to
> you, not the other way around.
> 
> It was a very different model.

$ vi foo.c
hack, hack
^Z
$ make
test test test, broken
$ fg

Yes, I could do that in 2 different terminals but that mode of working
is extremely useful, works when I don't have a windowing system, I'm
on the console.

Not having that model is a deal breaker for me, and I suspect a non
trivial number of other people.