[TUHS] Current Ownership of 3B/WECo Computer IPs

segaloco via TUHS tuhs at tuhs.org
Mon Sep 11 12:57:50 AEST 2023

Whoops, my bad, hadn't considered NCR in this train of thought.

And it sounds like the Nokia stream is a compelling direction, what with the 3B20 emulation and all that, it was a telecom processor after all. Glad to see I'm not just stumped, that it can be a little unclear.

- Matt G.

P.S. I realize my last P.S. may be more opinion oriented and/or controversial..just wanna recognize that oversight, no harm intended, different discussion for a different time

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On Sunday, September 10th, 2023 at 6:43 PM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 9:11 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs at tuhs.org> wrote:
>> Is there a clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have those waters grown even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after AT&T proper?
> I have never seen an unofficial, much less an official, reckoning, but if you discover/unearth something, it will be interesting to read.
> That said, you left out one piece of history. Please remember that AT&T bought NCR in the mid-1980s (and eventually spun it off a few years later). The UNIX HW development was moved into the new division of the old NCR, including the 3B series work, the WE32000, and some other semiconductor IPs.
> FWIW: That occurred when I consulted for NCR's Chief Architect (Lee Hovel) in the mid-late 80s (I did some of the analysis for Lee on what IP was there). But that all settled out after my contract expired, so I don't know how it finally settled - other than I'm reasonably sure that most of the 3B and chip development reported up through an ex-NCR exec after purchase. Those teams and their associated IP were folded into things like the old NCR semi-conductor, NCR Computer, etc.. IIRC Also, a few NCR communications products were moved out of the old NCR team and into the old WE folks.
> So .... I would not be surprised if when NCR was later spun back out, some of the old AT&T IP (such as the computer HW and chip IP) went with them, just as when Novell was sold the UNIX SW IP. Of course, later, Lucent, ney Alcatel, ney Nokia - got the communications IP.
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