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ACMS, Questions on Internet History. (fwd)

by Dave Horsfall

Perhaps some of the learned people on this list can help this chappie out? The ACMS is the Australian Computer Museum Society, and could in turn be a valuable resource for this list; note that he signs himself as a "PDP-11 Support Consultant"... Replies to him, please, unless deemed of interest to the list. -- Dave Horsfall VK2KFU dave(a)geac.com.au Ph: +61 2 9978-7493 Fx: +61 2 9978-7422 Geac Computers P/L (FGH Division) 2/57 Christie St, St Leonards 2065, Australia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:53:26 From: John G E R E M I N <megajohn(a)sneaker.net.au> To: ACS NSW List <acsnsw-l(a)onelist.com> Subject: ACMS, Questions on Internet History. Greetings All, (from a Netscape v3, Eudora and Win-3.11 system), The ACMS has been asked about the History Of The Internet In Australia. This assumes that the 'Internet' is defined as using IP protocols, and the World-Wide-Web that provided permanent (or semi-permanent) connections between major nodes and the end-users. We also know that DEC had world-wide DECNET for its corporate use. We know that U**X systems had FTP, TELNET etc available on systems using fixed line connections (eg within Unis, etc). We know about the ArpaNet origins (we hope) We know? that the first Internet users here were the CSIRO and Unis. But were they connected initially to the overseas Internet ? So some questions, designed to sort out some confusions. First hand experiences would be good as would pointers to documentation. Note - all these relate to Australia (but answers may include info relating to overseas contexts). a1 First use of Fido-Net or other BBS using Dial-up messaging ? a2 First use of E-MAIL via FidoNet or other BBS ? a3 First use of FreeWare/File Distribution via FidoNet or other BBS ? a4 First use of Message/Conference Areas/Groups on BBS ? b1 First use of permanent IP addresses ? b2 First use of E-MAIL via IP addresses ? b3 First use of File Transfers via Internet ? b4 First use of NewsGroups via Internet ? b5 First use of Graphical Displays via Internet ? b6 First use of 'http://www' type URL addressing via Internet ? b7 First use of two-way (interactive) audio via Internet ? b8 First use of two-way (intereactive) video via Internet ? c1 Any other major Internet milestones in the Australian environment ? Many thanks, John G. (PS you don't need to answer all questions!) John GEREMIN, megajohn(a)sneaker.net.au Ph. 02-9764 4855 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ PDP-11 Support Consultant, MEGATRONICS, Australia. http://www.posit.com.au/megatronics/ NEW Mob. => 0427 10 20 60 <= Hon. Treasurer, Australian COMPUTER MUSEUM Society Inc. http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ Fax: 02-9764 4679 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA75969 for pups-liszt; Mon, 22 May 2000 23:57:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) >From John G E R E M I N <megajohn(a)sneaker.net.au> Sun May 21 12:53:26 2000 Received: from threedee.com (mail.threedee.com [209.83.65.10]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA75965 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 22 May 2000 23:57:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jfoust(a)threedee.com) Received: from winnie.threedee.com (winnie [192.198.5.13]) by threedee.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29050; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:56:39 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000522085035.01c28580@pc> X-Sender: jfoust@pc X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:54:53 -0500 To: <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> Subject: Re: ACMS, Questions on Internet History. (fwd) Cc: John G E R E M I N <megajohn(a)sneaker.net.au> In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005221634220.26282-100000(a)fgh.geac.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk At 04:39 PM 5/22/00 +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote: > a1 First use of Fido-Net or other BBS using Dial-up messaging ? > a2 First use of E-MAIL via FidoNet or other BBS ? > a3 First use of FreeWare/File Distribution via FidoNet or other BBS ? Tom Jennings, the creator of FidoNet, is still available at <tomj(a)wps.com> and there's a history at http://wps.com/FidoNet/source/Fido-FidoNet/fhist.html. Tom is now moderating the Dead Media Project at http://wps.com/dead-media/index.html. But by no means was FidoNet the first BBS. - John

25 years

Ultrix V3.1 broken

by Warren Toomey

----- Forwarded message from Zane H. Healy ----- From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> While investigating building a Ultrix V3.1 tape I discovered that the file on the archive is corrupt. Distributions/dec/Ultrix-3.1/ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz File 34: The ULTRIX-11 /usr file system in dump/restor format Zane ----- End of forwarded message from Zane H. Healy ----- Wilko Bulte sent that in to the PUPS Archive. Wilko, do you still have the tape. Can you try to read it again?! Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22439 for pups-liszt; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:51:57 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) >From Wilko Bulte <wkb(a)chello.nl> Sun May 21 20:50:59 2000 Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22432 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:51:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkb(a)chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000521085044.QFLE24740.relay02(a)chello.nl>; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:50:44 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA37481; Sun, 21 May 2000 10:50:59 GMT (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:50:59 +0000 From: Wilko Bulte <wkb(a)chello.nl> To: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Cc: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Ultrix V3.1 broken Message-ID: <20000521105059.A21186(a)freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte(a)chello.nl References: <200005210610.QAA72885(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200005210610.QAA72885(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; from wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au on Sun, May 21, 2000 at 04:10:21PM +1000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko(a)freebsd.org Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 04:10:21PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: Warren, When I untar the .tgz I get files named tapeblock[0-33] In tapeblock4 is an index of the original tape, which lists the various files on the tape. These are numbered *1* til *34* I think this is just an off by one thing, because there is no tapeblock34 at all. Please check if this is the case. I don't have any PDP operational so I cannot verify the contents of tapeblock33. But I'm pretty sure this is /usr W/ > ----- Forwarded message from Zane H. Healy ----- > > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > > While investigating building a Ultrix V3.1 tape I discovered that the file > on the archive is corrupt. > > Distributions/dec/Ultrix-3.1/ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz > > File 34: The ULTRIX-11 /usr file system in dump/restor format > > Zane > ----- End of forwarded message from Zane H. Healy ----- > > Wilko Bulte sent that in to the PUPS Archive. Wilko, do you still have the > tape. Can you try to read it again?! > > Cheers, > Warren ---end quoted text--- -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org

25 years, 1 month

test mail for new PUPS list

by Warren Toomey

The PUPS list, web site & Archive has migrated to a Celeron. Just some test mail to confirm that the mailing list still works. Please ignore. Warren

25 years, 1 month

Re: A Public Thank You

by Warren Toomey

In article by Frank Wortner: > I just signed up for my free(!) SCO Ancient Unix license. It's great fun > to be able to explore again the code I first saw and worked on as a > student all too many years ago. It seems only right to thank those who > gave me access to this resource. > Frank Wortner I'd like to add some thanks to Frank's list. Thanks to those people who forked out their US$100 for the paper SCO license. It's a shame you can't get a refund. At least you have a real, signed, license that you can wave at your friends :-) Our first contact at SCO, Dion Johnson, fought with bureacracy and the legal naysayers to get us the first SCO license. Thanks, Dion! We have a lot of PUPS Volunteers behind the scenes who have been burning CDs and other media in the past 2-3 years. With the free license, they're going to get much busier, but are still volunteers. Everybody who has received a CD should congratulate these people. Soren Jorvang in particular deserves thanks. Hint: if you have a CD burner, YOUR HELP IS URGENTLY REQUIRED. Email me! Finally, the bulk of the files in the archive were donated by a few people: Dennis Ritchie, Henry Spencer, Keith Bostic, Tim Shoppa, Steven Schultz and Kirk McKusick are the most notable. Thanks to all those who have donated old files and information to the archive! Some quick stats: 100+ people have obtained for PUPS Archive access in the last 24 hours. Web activity was 1.2G, compared to a usual 36M, in the last 24 hours. Haven't checked ftp yet. Not bad for a 486! I'm switching over to the Celeron today, so expect a few hours of downtime and a few glitches. Cheers, Warren

25 years, 1 month

PUPS Archive access now available

by Warren Toomey

All, Access to The PUPS Archive can now be obtained with no human intervention. Go to http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html, agree to the SCO license. On the next page, click on `apply for access to the PUPS Archive'. Fill in your full name and e-mail address, and you will be given immediate access to the archive. I'm arranging for at least one mirror of the PUPS Archive in the USA. More would be welcome :-) Let me know if you can help! At present, the PUPS Archive can be accessed by FTP, HTTP and rsync. No more paper licenses, no more 6 week wait, yayy!!! Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22778 for pups-liszt; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:34:51 +1000 (EST) >From Frank Wortner <frank(a)panix.com> Wed May 17 00:34:32 2000 Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22774 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:34:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from panix6.panix.com (panix6.panix.com [166.84.0.231]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D81331012 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by panix6.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) with ESMTP id KAA12675 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: frank owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:34:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Wortner <frank(a)panix.com> To: UNIX Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: A Public Thank You In-Reply-To: <200005142045.GAA10926(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0005160929210.10013-100000(a)panix6.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I just signed up for my free(!) SCO Ancient Unix license. It's great fun to be able to explore again the code I first saw and worked on as a student all too many years ago. It seems only right to thank those who gave me access to this resource. Thank you, Warren, for your work in convincing SCO to make this possible. Also thanks for the archives, the mailing list, the idea, and everything else. Thank you, SCO, for seeing the historic value of the code and generously making it available to enthusiasts. SCO's attitude towards this legacy is extremely rare amoung corporations, and they deserve our gratitude. Thanks also to everyone who contributed material to the PUPS archive. In the face of such generousity I'm sorry I don't have (or think I don't have) any material left from the PDP-11 era to add to the collection. And now, back to wallowing in PDP-11 nostalgia. :-) Frank Wortner

25 years, 1 month

WWW page for PDP-11 support in GNU binutils

by lars brinkhoff

I created a page to reflect the progress of the PDP-11 support in GNU binutils: http://pdp11.nocrew.org/ Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13579 for pups-liszt; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:56:39 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon May 15 18:56:24 2000 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13575 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:56:32 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id SAA31129; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:56:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <200005150856.SAA31129(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: WWW page for PDP-11 support in GNU binutils In-Reply-To: <85zopss1ai.fsf(a)junk.nocrew.org> from lars brinkhoff at "May 15, 2000 9:47: 1 am" To: lars(a)nocrew.org (lars brinkhoff) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:56:24 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by lars brinkhoff: > I created a page to reflect the progress of the PDP-11 support in > GNU binutils: > http://pdp11.nocrew.org/ Thanks Lars. Now that Minix is freely available, some of the applications there could be easily ported over to the PDP-11. Ciao, Warren

25 years, 1 month

SCO site has Unix for download

by Efton Collins

Hey, You may have seen it already, but I haven't seen an announcement on the PUPS list - SCO has got Unix 5th, 6th and 7th Editions, Mini Unix, System III and 32V available on their site for download. You can access them by going to www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html and accepting the license. Congratulations PUPS, this is a milestone. Efton

25 years, 1 month

Some changes forecast for the PUPS Archive & web site

by Warren Toomey

[ apologies to those who get this twice ] Hi all, I just thought I'd let you know that there will be some changes with the PUPS Archive and the web site coming along soon. As you know, SCO has dropped their Ancient UNIX license to $0.00. In a matter of days, they will provide a web form on their web site so that you can agree to the license. After you have done this, you will be able to obtain 5th-7th Edition UNIX, 32V, Mini UNIX and PDP-11 System III from their web site. I am hoping that you will also be able to click through to a CGI script on the PUPS web site, where you can put in your full name and e-mail address, and you will be granted access to the larger PUPS Archive. I need to collect name/e-mail addresses, so that later if you ask for a copy of the Archive on CD or other media, we can verify that you have agreed to the new SCO license. I am modifying the PUPS Archive so that it will be accessible via both FTP and HTTP. The access mechanism will also allow mirrors of the Archive to be set up. SO: if you have a good 24-hr/day network connection and about 1G of disk space available, I would be most grateful if you could set up a mirror of the PUPS Archive. The mechanism to request PUPS on CD has been streamlined, but it still depends on volunteers to help out with the copying. If you can volunteer to do this as well, we would be most grateful. We will be even more grateful once the free SCO license gets Slashdotted :-) One thing I definitely need to do is to tidy up and/or reorganise the PUPS web site at http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/PUPS. I'll try to do this over the next 6-8 weeks. Any suggestions or comments are welcome! The PUPS Archive itself needs some attention. For example, some of the systems like PWB, 32V and System III are either incomplete or haven't been fuly extracted into a portable format like tar. I would welcome any offers to help curate & fix up the archive. When this _does_ get slashdotted, and it will, the first thing people will want to do is either view the old source, or bring up the old versions. Is there a volunteer who would like to bring the disk images in Boot_Images up to date, and provide better instructions so that a PDP-newbie can boot V5, V6, V7, 2.11BSD on the common emulators such as Ersatz, Supnik, Begemot etc. And finally, the machine running the PUPS Archive, minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au, will be replaced in the next week or two. Currently, minnie is a 486DX100, and I have a Celeron 400 with FreeBSD 4.0 installed as her replacement. There will be some broken functionality after I switch over, knowing Murphy's Law. Please e-mail me with details if you spot something that isn't right. That's about it. There's a lot to do. I'd love some help :-) Cheers! Warren

25 years, 1 month

Also: PUPS mailing list digest

by Warren Toomey

Looks like we've got a spurt of email in the PUPS mailing list. For those unaccustomed to this, you might prefer to switch over to the digest version which comes out at most twice a week. To do this, send mail to majordomo(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au with these lines in the email body: unsubscribe pups subscribe pups-digest Cheers, Warren

25 years, 1 month

Re: Help: PDP-11 instruction classification (again!)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > You can find T11 chips in several Q-bus and Unibus peripherals, most notably > > the RQDX1, 2, and 3 (the chip labeled "27-17311-01"). > > What cpu is in the DEUNA and DEQNA? I think those also have a T11. I thought DEUNA was 68k and DEQNA is definatly state machines and random logic no t11. DELQA is 68k. > > and the same set was used (with different microcode) by other CPU makers. > > In particular, the Alpha Micro two-board S-100 set. > > And I think DEC even supported the possibility of writing your own > microcode for this one. Yes there was a WCS that filled the FIS microm spot (and a full board under it). Allison

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