TUHS November 2002

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by norman＠nose.cita.utoronto.ca

I've assembled some notes from old manuals and other sources on the formats used for on-disk file systems through the Seventh Edition: http://www.cita.utoronto.ca/~norman/old-unix/old-fs.html Additional notes, comments on style, and whatnot are welcome. (It may be sensible to send anything in the last two categories directly to me, rather than to the whole list.)

3 years

RE: [pups] Boot_Images and the networking activated version of Simh

by Fred N. van Kempen

People, DO note that the Ethernet operations of SimH heavily depend on the proper workings AND configuration of a Packet Filter driver for your platform, so, something like BPF, EFILT, NetFLT or WinPCAP (for Win32). Try running a test app for that stuff BEFORE trying to run SimH/ENET stuff.. if the test app works OK, you can start figuring out why SimH/ENET doesn't work on your system. I have *three* network cards the drivers of which DO NOT support promisc mode. Which obviously results in WinPCAP (they're PCI cards under Win2K) not functioning properly, and, thus, same for SimH/ENET. --fred > -----Original Message----- > From: Andru Luvisi [mailto:luvisi@andru.sonoma.edu] > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:02 AM > To: gregg(a)levine.name > Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Boot_Images and the networking activated > version of > Simh > > > On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Gregg C Levine wrote: > > Hello from Gregg C Levine > > Just out of curiosity, can the boot images stored in the > folders that > > are under that name, actually support this new version of > Simh? That is > > the PDP-11 emulator. What would be necessary to enable that > function? It > > looks as if one of them, is aware of the device, since I believe the > > image was made on a machine which has the appropriate card > installed in > > it, but after that I'm lost. > > I would be happy to share mine, but it doesn't work. ;-) > > The thing that strikes me as really weird is that I know a guy who is > running VMS with networking on the simh VAX emulator. As I > understand it, > the the VAX and PDP-11 emulators use the same code for the ethernet > controller. > > Andru > -- > Andru Luvisi, Programmer/Analyst > > Quote Of The Moment: > Truth is hard to find and harder to obscure. > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

22 years, 5 months

Re: [pups] 2.11BSD networking on simh

by Steven M. Schultz

Hi - > From: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu> > I have gotten 2.11 installed on simh, I have it recognizing the simulated > ethernet card, and everything appears correct except the packets just > aren't getting in and out. The simh documentation says that the DELQA > card is better than the DEQNA, but I was unable to get the DELQA (qt) > driver to recognize the card. When I compiled the kernel to use the DEQNA There are TWO variants of the DELQA as I recall. One was referred to as the "turbo" verion (I think it was called the DELQA-YM) and the if_qt driver was developed and tested specifically for, and only for, that variant. The normal DELQA and DEQNA should use the if_qe driver. > I have configured 2.11BSD with: > A valid IP address on the network the host is on. > The same netmask, broadcast, and gateway as the host. > I am running the emulator as root. > > The docs say you won't be able to talk between the host and the emulated Hmmm, that seems strange. Using P11 I talk between the host (the machine running the emulator program) and the "PDP11" all the time. Ah, it has to do with ARP handling I suspect. I know that with P11 it's IP only and thus ARP packets do not traverse the emulated ethernet card. If that is the case with simh as well then on the PDP11 side you might have to do what I did and install arp entries for everything on the local lan with which the PDP11 is going to communicate. That way the 11 already knows the 'mac' address and does not need ARP (which doesn't work thru the emulated ethernet) at all. > machine, so my test for each configuration has been pinging the gateway, > which I know responds to pings since I can ping it from the host. Ah, but on the host did you publish an ARP entry so that the host will arp for the PDP11? I think that is required. I would tinker around with installing published/proxy arp entries and seeing what happens. Cheers, Steven Schultz sms(a)2bsd.com

22 years, 5 months

[pups] Boot_Images and the networking activated version of Simh

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine Just out of curiosity, can the boot images stored in the folders that are under that name, actually support this new version of Simh? That is the PDP-11 emulator. What would be necessary to enable that function? It looks as if one of them, is aware of the device, since I believe the image was made on a machine which has the appropriate card installed in it, but after that I'm lost. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

22 years, 5 months

[pups] 2.11BSD networking on simh

by Andru Luvisi

I have gotten 2.11 installed on simh, I have it recognizing the simulated ethernet card, and everything appears correct except the packets just aren't getting in and out. The simh documentation says that the DELQA card is better than the DEQNA, but I was unable to get the DELQA (qt) driver to recognize the card. When I compiled the kernel to use the DEQNA (qe) driver and set the card up in DEQNA mode, the emulated card and its ethernet address were correctly detected. I have configured 2.11BSD with: A valid IP address on the network the host is on. The same netmask, broadcast, and gateway as the host. I am running the emulator as root. I have attached the DEQNA to the appropriate ethernet card. I can see the ethernet card go into promiscuous mode when I start the emulator. I have tested it with SANITY=ON and SANITY=OFF. The docs say you won't be able to talk between the host and the emulated machine, so my test for each configuration has been pinging the gateway, which I know responds to pings since I can ping it from the host. I have been over both the 2.11BSD docs and the simh docs several times and as far as I can tell I am doing everything correctly. I would appreciate any hints that any of you can offer. Thanks, Andru Quote Of The Moment: Appel's method avoids making a large number of small trampoline bounces by occasionally jumping off the Empire State Building. -- Henry G. Baker, "Cheney on the M.T.A."

22 years, 5 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by Mario Premke

Thanks a lot - it works ... I am delighted !!! ---------- > Von: Frank Wortner <frank(a)wortner.com> > An: Mario Premke <Mario.Premke(a)epost.de>; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Betreff: Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7 > Datum: Montag, 18. November 2002 03:59 > > on 11/17/02 1:24 PM, Mario Premke at Mario.Premke(a)epost.de wrote: > > > Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ > > After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a > > different name ? > > boot dl0 > @boot <- you type "boot" and press "enter" or "return" in reply > New Boot, known device are hp ht rk rl rp tm vt > : rl(0,0)rl2unix <- you type "rl(0,0)rl2unix" and press return > mem = 177856 > # <- you are now in "single user" mode > <- press "control-d" to go to multiuser mode > <- (the normal mode of operation) > Restricted rights: Use, duplication, or disclosure > is subject to restrictions stated in your contract with > Western Electric Company, Inc. > Thu Sept 22 06:26:09 EDT 1988 > > login: root <- login as "root" > # <- Have fun ... > <- You did make a backup of the disk image before you started, > <- right? ;-) > > If you want to make things easier, your first command should be: > > # cp /rl2unix /unix > > Now you will be able to type "rl(0,0)unix" instead of "rl(0,0)rl2unix". Ps > and other commands that need to read the system namelist also expect the > kernel image to be named /unix. > > Enjoy! > > > > -- > Frank > > "Plez cnoke if an rnsr is not reqid." > Sign on Owl's Door, "Winnie the Pooh" > > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups

22 years, 6 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by Frank Wortner

on 11/17/02 1:24 PM, Mario Premke at Mario.Premke(a)epost.de wrote: > Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ > After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a > different name ? boot dl0 @boot <- you type "boot" and press "enter" or "return" in reply New Boot, known device are hp ht rk rl rp tm vt : rl(0,0)rl2unix <- you type "rl(0,0)rl2unix" and press return mem = 177856 # <- you are now in "single user" mode <- press "control-d" to go to multiuser mode <- (the normal mode of operation) Restricted rights: Use, duplication, or disclosure is subject to restrictions stated in your contract with Western Electric Company, Inc. Thu Sept 22 06:26:09 EDT 1988 login: root <- login as "root" # <- Have fun ... <- You did make a backup of the disk image before you started, <- right? ;-) If you want to make things easier, your first command should be: # cp /rl2unix /unix Now you will be able to type "rl(0,0)unix" instead of "rl(0,0)rl2unix". Ps and other commands that need to read the system namelist also expect the kernel image to be named /unix. Enjoy! -- Frank "Plez cnoke if an rnsr is not reqid." Sign on Owl's Door, "Winnie the Pooh"

22 years, 6 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 17, 21:09, M E Leypold wrote: > > Mario Premke writes: > > Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ > > After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a > > different name ? > > Thanks in advance > > Mario Premke > > rlunix? It should look something like this (from my 7th Editon on a real PDP-11): @boot boot : rl(0,0)unix The "@" is the bootstrap prompt, and the first "boot" is what you type. The second "boot" is from the boot program itself; the colon ":" is boot's prompt. "rl(0,0)" is what you type to name the device, unit, and partition, and "unix" is the kernel name. YMMV if you have a different kernel. BTW, to shut down an old system like this, you should (as root) type # kill -1 1 to stop user processes and return to single-user mode; then type "sync" a couple of times, to make sure any disk buffers are written out, and then stop the processor. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 6 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by M E Leypold ＠ labnet

Mario Premke writes: > Thanks a lot !!! > That was what I was looking for ... > Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ > After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a > different name ? > Thanks in advance > Mario Premke rlunix? Regards -- Markus

22 years, 6 months

Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7

by Mario Premke

Thanks a lot !!! That was what I was looking for ... Nevertheless, mounting the file and boot dl0: leads to the boot-prompt @ After typing unix the boot-prompt appears again - does the kernel have a different name ? Thanks in advance Mario Premke ---------- > Von: Bill Gunshannon <bill(a)cs.scranton.edu> > An: Mario Premke <Mario.Premke(a)epost.de> > Cc: Gregg C Levine <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net>; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Betreff: Re: [pups] Looking for binary distribution of v7 > Datum: Samstag, 16. November 2002 23:34 > > On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Mario Premke wrote: > > > Hello Gregg, thanks for your immediate response ! > > I recently found the article 'Booting 7th Edition UNIX Images' on the > > 'vmsnet.pdp-11'-Newsgroups: > > > > <--- SNIP ---> > > > > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/sim/sources/ > > ftp://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/pub/PDP-11-sims/Supnik_2.2d/sources/ > > > > Try http://simh.trailing-edge.com > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

22 years, 6 months

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TUHS November 2002