TUHS September 2002

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by Ian King

I agree with your premise that copyright can be detrimental to broader interests, and the case of "obsolete but historically interesting" software is a prime case in point. However, copyright holders can choose to make things readily available without placing them in the public domain; the 'Ancient UNIX' license is a great example. If they choose not to do so, the law does allow them recourse. I doubt they would consume the resources to execute on that against individuals who are running old software for non-commercial purposes; I suspect that those who commit such indiscretions wholesale may not be treated with such latitude. And, IMHO, those who baldly advertise their general disdain of copyright law are pretty much asking for it. -- Ian My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent my employer's opinions. -----Original Message----- From: Mirian Crzig Lennox [mailto:mirian@cosmic.com] Sent: Thu 9/5/2002 4:56 PM To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Cc: Subject: Re: [TUHS] Ultrix... On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:15:52 -0700, Ian King <iking(a)microsoft.com> wrote: >"It is a problem only if you choose to honor copyright laws." I can > only hope that others (dis)regard your property rights, as you > (dis)regard the property rights of others. BTW, where do you live? I > could use a new monitor or two.... It is possible to respect property rights and yet disagree (to the point of disobedience) with how the concept has been lately twisted by monied interests in the United States. The purpose of copyright is not to be a form of property; if it were, copyrights would not expire. The purpose of copyright is to enrich the public domain by encouraging authors to publish their works, by ensuring them exclusive right to profit from their work for a limited time after which time *the work passes into the public domain*. This is plainly stated in the U.S. Constitution as the basis for copyright law: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries." [Article I, section 8]. In fact, the concept of "intellectual property" is a fairly recent perversion, and the consequence has been a steady depletion of the public domain. When a piece of software (and Ultrix is an excellent example) is tied up in copyright long after it is of any value to anyone beyond pure academic interest, nothing is added to anyone's wealth, and society as a whole loses. --Mirian _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

21 years, 7 months

Re: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler

by Al Kossow

<nl> > I guess my MACRO-11 implementation of C isn't good enough. > (Well, it ain't mine, it's the normal DECUS C, but I'm hacked some at it.) <nl><nl> and to bring this full circle, do you know where DECUS C came from? <nl><nl>

21 years, 7 months

Re: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> > To: pups(a)tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler > Content-ID: <9012_13188_1031248039_2(a)spies.com> > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:47:19 -0700 > > <nl> > > I guess my MACRO-11 implementation of C isn't good enough. > > (Well, it ain't mine, it's the normal DECUS C, but I'm hacked some at i= > t.) > <nl><nl> > > and to bring this full circle, do you know where DECUS C came from? > <nl><nl> It is my understanding that it was a "clean room" reimplementation of the 6th Edition Unix "cc" and "as". carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

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Re: [TUHS] Vax 3300 and Ultrix

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Peter Wrangell <pwrangell(a)bsdmercs.org> wrote: > I am looking for a copy of Ultrix 4.5 preferably on TK70 tapes but any > medium will do. I have a MicroVax 3300 that I would like to breath life > into again. I can't help you with 4.5, but I have the full V4.00 TK50 distribution and it fully supports MV3300 with DSSI. The tape images are on my FTP site in: ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/thirdparty/Ultrix-32/ult400vaxdist-tk50 On the same site I also have full sources for V2.00 and V4.20. (I have no sources for the version for which I have the dist, and no dists for the versions for which I have the sources... I guess I need to bite the bullet and compile V4.20 myself. Some day maybe.) MS

21 years, 7 months

RE: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler

by Ian King

About a thousand years ago, I recall hand-building programs for 8-bit microprocessors (in what we'd call embedded systems today). In many cases, I was the "assembler", writing directly in machine code which was then either keyed in through front-panel switches or burned into a PROM.... -- Ian -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Billquist [mailto:bqt@update.uu.se] Sent: Thu 9/5/2002 5:05 AM To: Tim Bradshaw Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Tim Bradshaw wrote: > * Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > How? It was written, of course. In assembler. By that time, you already > > had the assembler, an editor, and other commonly used system programs, so > > it's just a case of the normal development cycle. > > Is this known or is it deduction? [...] Ah. Ok, now I understand what you're asking for. You want to know what the first C was written in, and what that compiler/assembler was written in/on, and so on... No, I'm just deducting. Since the reference posted said that TMG was the first higher level language implemented, it follows that it must have been written in a low level language, namely assembler. Admittedly, the PDP-7 TMG *could* have been written in some high level language on some other machine using some tool that made a PDP-7 executable, so your guess is as good as mine. But even though I cannot account for all steps, I can guarantee that at the end of the chain, you *will* find assembler. I guess my MACRO-11 implementation of C isn't good enough. :-) (Well, it ain't mine, it's the normal DECUS C, but I'm hacked some at it.) Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol _______________________________________________ PUPS mailing list PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups

21 years, 7 months

Vax 3300 and Ultrix

by Peter Wrangell

Greetings, I am looking for a copy of Ultrix 4.5 preferably on TK70 tapes but any medium will do. I have a MicroVax 3300 that I would like to breath life into again. Unfortunately the version in the Archives is too old to be of use and it seems that there is no DSSI support in NetBSD. I would be willing to trade old computer parts in return(I have Old SGI, Dec PDP and and Sun Stuff). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -Peter pwrangell(a)bsdmercs.org

21 years, 7 months

Re: Re: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?)

by John Holden

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Dennis Ritchie wrote:- > I'm not positive about the logo on our first PDP-11. The picture of Dennis and Ken in front ASR-33's hints at a pdp11/20 logo on the console. The 11/20 I have (built 29/1/71, SN 821) has just plain 'pdp11'. The lead time on getting the machine was about 6 months. I suspect that the /20 was added as other models were in the pipeline (/05,/45). For a picture, see http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11/11_20.html > Incidentally, the machine's handbook was a wonder. Indead it was The front cover is interesting, in that it shows a table top version of the 11/20. It was quite possible to run one just with paper tape and an ASR33 with the reader/punch option. There was a similar option for the pdp8/e. The only obvious change between the first and second edition handbooks was that the latter changed the last page from a picture of a young lady in front of a machine to a table of Unibus pin assignments.

21 years, 7 months

Re: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?)

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: Dennis Ritchie <dmr(a)plan9.bell-labs.com> > Subject: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?) > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:21:40 -0400 > > I'm not positive about the logo on our first PDP-11. The text accompanying the picture "Ken and Den" somewhere on your web site says that the logo on your first PDP-11 was just "PDP-11" without the /20. > On the earliest handbook I have, the front panel photo > just shows "PDP11", though inside the handbook > it does talk about the two models (11/10 and 11/20). > Both had the same KA11 processor, but the basic > 11/10 sported 1024Kw ROM memory plus a generous > 128 words of RAM, while the 11-20 had > 4096Kw core RAM, and the ASR33 Teletype was included. > You could add more RAM to the 11/20. I fear that you have suffered a "units slip" saying 1024Kw and 4096Kw when you meant 1Kw and 4Kw respectively. > Incidentally, the machine's handbook was a wonder. > In 104 pages (each 5.25x8 inches), it described the whole > system: not only the instruction set but the theory > of the Unibus (including some logic diagrams) together with > programming specifications for the TTY, the clock, > and the paper tape reader. > > Dennis Agreed, "PDP11 Handbook Second Edition" was a really good book Occasionally I wonder if I ever had my hands on a "First Edition" and threw it away when the second edition came out. Not knowing that both the computer and the handbook would become classics. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

21 years, 7 months

[pups] PDP11/73, RD53, RX50... What are my options?

by Tobias Russell

Hi, I have a micro PDP11/73 equipped with an RD53, RX50 and a Cipher mag tape drive (untested). The machine currently boots into TSX (although I don't have usernames/passwords so no shell access). I'd like to get BSD2.11 onto the machine. What is going to be the best route? I assume that my chances of breaking through TSX security (so I can use kermit) are small, so is vtserver going to be the easiest method? Toby Tobias Russell Managing Director Russell Sharpe Limited The Tannery, Tannery Lane, Bramley, Surrey. GU5 0AJ England Tel: +44 (1483) 894158 Fax: +44 (1483) 898932 Email: toby(a)russellsharpe.com

21 years, 7 months

Re: [pups] PDP11/73, RD53, RX50... What are my options?

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Carl Lowenstein: I suppose the easiest break-in tool would be a floppy disk with a bootable RT11 on it. Or, if your goal is just to drain the machine's brain entirely and start over, which is likely the case if you want to put 2.11 on it: dig up the standalone disk diagnostic (is XXDP easily available somewhere these days?) and reformat the disk. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

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TUHS September 2002