TUHS June 2003

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Re: [TUHS] What about the license from Jan 23, 2002?

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Just to clarify, what Brantley has is his own copy of the Bill Broderick letter, printed from the PDF file. If it's valid, it is effectively unrevokable anyway as it grants permission to use and distribute freely to anyone as long as credit to Caldera is maintained. But as long as nobody has a signed original it may be messy to prove that it's valid. On the other hand, I assume that if it can be shown that Caldera were aware of the letter and behaved as if it were valid, there are no secrets left to protect in V7 or 32/V. On the other leg, however, that letter doesn't open up System III. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

20 years, 10 months

What about the license from Jan 23, 2002?

by bwc＠coraid.com

I've got a sheet of paper here that is a license from Caldera dated January 23, 2002. Isn't that the current license? I don't see any timer limit on the license. Brantley

20 years, 10 months

Re: [TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

by Carl Lowenstein

> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:46:27 +0930 > From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog(a)lemis.com> > To: zmkm zmkm <new_zmkm(a)hotmail.com> > Content-Disposition: inline > > On Thursday, 12 June 2003 at 11:31:52 +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote: > > > > Good old dear BSD , where is it ?? still fighting a niche turf , why > > it didn?t burst in the open ? > > Glad you asked. It was the victim of a law suit ten years ago. Don't > underestimate what the current legal challenges can do to Linux. > > Greg In case you are referring to the BSD vs. AT&T suit, BSD won. carl

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Re: [TUHS] VAX-11/780 emulation

by zmkm zmkm

Hi all what about eVAX ??? , any one tried this ? is it any good ?? Akito I don't know if you got my earlier email it was bounced back earlier today from TUHS any way v32 doesn't support virtual memory. zmkm >From: Kenneth Stailey <kstailey(a)yahoo.com> >To: Akito Fujita <akito_fujita(a)mvg.biglobe.ne.jp>, tuhs(a)tuhs.org >CC: Akito Fujita <akito_fujita(a)mvg.biglobe.ne.jp> >Subject: Re: [TUHS] VAX-11/780 emulation >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:26:26 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- Akito Fujita <akito_fujita(a)mvg.biglobe.ne.jp> wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have a plan to run UNIX/32V using SIMH. > > > > UNIX/32V is required VAX-11/780 > > and SIMH support Micro VAX III (?) only. > > Is it possible without any modification ? > >VAX-11/780 is a unibus VAX. >Micro VAX III / SIMH VAX is a Qbus VAX. > >http://world.std.com/~bdc/projects/vaxen/vax-perf.html > >SIMH is "Mayfair III" on that page. > > > Does anyone try this ? > > Are there more better emulator than SIMH ? > > or Should I add the feature of 11/780 emulation into SIHM ? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > - Akito > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TUHS mailing list > > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >TUHS mailing list >TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org >http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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VAX-11/780 emulation

by Akito Fujita

Hi I have a plan to run UNIX/32V using SIMH. UNIX/32V is required VAX-11/780 and SIMH support Micro VAX III (?) only. Is it possible without any modification ? Does anyone try this ? Are there more better emulator than SIMH ? or Should I add the feature of 11/780 emulation into SIHM ? Thanks - Akito

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I knew that penguin couldn't be trusted

by Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai

If you believe Mr Sontag's words of course. I sincerely wonder what kind of medication the guy is using. http://www.byte.com/documents/s=8276/byt1055784622054/0616_marshall.html Best part: At this point I started to think about the public interest and about restrictive monopolies laws. It was almost as though Sontag was reading my mind.and yes, SCO has that base covered too. I listened to how IBM has bypassed U.S. export controls with Linux. How "Syria and Libya and North Korea" are all building supercomputers with Linux and inexpensive Intel hardware, in violation of U.S. export control laws. These laws would normally restrict export of technologies such as JFS, NUMA, RCU, and SMP.and, (I was waiting for this) "encryption technologies." "We know that is occurring in Syria," I heard, even though my mind was fogging over at this point. "So are you saying that the U.S. government might file a "Friend of the Court Brief" to support your case against IBM?" I blurted out. "Don't be surprised" was Sontag's answer. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(at)wxs.nl> / asmodai / a capoeirista PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7 9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.in-nomine.org/~asmodai/diary/ Is there a place deep within, a place where you hide your darkest Sins..?

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Re: [TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux

by zmkm zmkm

Michael I dont agree with you on this , your complain about linux is unfair , on the contrary to many unixers especially the new generation of hackers and new unix users even those users fed up with Microsoft gimmicks , linux was miracle touch that helped to re energize the otherwise stale unix market , simply look at the market today which operating system has grown beyond any expectations ? . Another thing , in the days of corporate greed and bullying a-la-microsoft way, linux played a significant role to cement the open source movement. Good old dear BSD , where is it ?? still fighting a niche turf , why it didnt burst in the open ? , its troubles doesnt have anything to do with linux its been there way before linux surfaced. I will not go into this flame war which is better BSD or Linux because both are dear to me and each has its own strong points and weaknesses . Finally , this whole nonsense from SCO wouldn't be there if SCO had any good products to offer or enjoying good revenue , so this law suite shows how desperate SCO is sinking in the red and using this law suite to float itself again . Love it or hate it linux is here to stay J . _______________ preparing for eventual flame war , automatic sprinkler = check fire extinguishers = check fire fighting water hose = check fire proof suite and helmet = check all systems go . zmkm >From: msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) >To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org >Subject: [TUHS] My response to SCO vs. Linux >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 03 14:01:08 PDT > >Here is my response to SCO vs. Linux. The thing is, some of the things they >are >saying I agree with most emphatically, except that what those things really >support is not SCO but our TUHS cause. Their main line, at least as I >interpret >it, is that UNIX is the real OS, UNIX is better than Linux, and Linux is >just a >naughty child that is becoming more and more of a nuisance to the adults. I >agree wholeheartedly! I and many other UNIX bigots have been more vocal >about >this than SCO. > >BUT... UNIX is not what SCO means by this term, UNIX is V7 -> 4BSD! That is >the >real UNIX, USG is just a bad commercialized branch that no one ever really >liked anyway! So to all those Fortune 1000 (or whatever that was) companies >warned by SCO to stop running Linux, they should throw out those cheap >micros, >put all their old large VAXen back online, and run True UNIX, 4.3 BSD UNIX! >And >that *is* real UNIX, it comes directly from V7 and openly and proudly >admits to >this fact! Isn't an OS that openly and proudly admits to come directly from >Holy UNIX better than a cheap UNIX copycat that needs to be sued in court >to >determine what the hell it really is? > >But SCO probably won't be too happy about it as they just gave away the >True >UNIX (V7) to the World for free, and it's non-retractable. > >So if anything good comes out of this lawsuit it's that maybe, just maybe, >BSD >will finally get some attention and use over Linux. The Free Computing >community doesn't have to suffer any loss whatsoever if SCO wins, we can >instead just switch from Linux to the much better True UNIX, which is just >as >free but a lot more solid, mature, and True. And stick it to SCO and laugh >diabolically at how they voluntarily made UNIX free without us having to >seize >it by force in a revolution. > >MS (donning the flameproof spacesuit) >_______________________________________________ >TUHS mailing list >TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org >http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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[TUHS] Pirates Of Penguinance (Apologies to Gilbert, Sullivan, and most of humanity)

by Kenneth Stailey

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Re: Your message to TUHS awaits moderator approval

by Jim Capp

Hmmm, I thought I *was* a member ... is it possible I am a member as jcapp(a)kp.net? or jcapp(a)acm.org? Do I need to submit under another address or am I missing the boat? Thanks, Jim On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:32:44PM +1000, tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org wrote: > Your mail to 'TUHS' with the subject > > Another response to SCO vs. Linux > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/confirm/tuhs/de9265d7287d853c78061cb586498f9…

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Another response to SCO vs. Linux

by Jim Capp

Hi All, I have been an avid UNIX fan since 1983 when I read my first UNIX manual and realized the power and flexibility of the command line utilities and portability of the C compiler. I have used many flavors of *NIX and the companies I worked for sold a lot of SCO products. However, it became increasingly annoying to have to spend an extra $1,000 to get a C compiler. Beginning in 1994, we began replacing AT&T Unix, SCO Xenix, and SCO Unix with Linux. The final straw for us using SCO was when a major client upgraded their system from a 2-CPU NCR to a 4-CPU Gateway and it took us hours to locate all the necessary drivers to make it fly. Then afterwards, the client could not find their license materials. Just for fun, we popped in a RH7.1 version of Linux and it booted fine, located all the hardware and installed itself in about a half-hour. It has been running that way for the last two years. We had another client simply upgrade their SCO Unix system from a Pentium-100 to a Pentium III. After spending hours trying to move their SCO license and finding out that the bootloaders didn't like *something* (unknown to this day) we went back to the customer and suggested another path. Today, that system is running Linux/Apache/PHP/PostgreSQL. The bottom line is that Linux works well. The fact that it is nearly free (cost of media/downloads/time etc.) is a nice bonus. IMHO, SCO is a victim of their own design (who would symbolically link 1,000 files to some strange /opt/SCO/.../.../etc/init.d/....??? I guess when your business models don't pan out, you can always sue somebody ... especially when someone like Microsoft gives you the money. Do you really think Microsoft would pay $10,000,000 to anyone else without a fight and without trying every other business tactic that they have used in the past? Finally, to threaten pulling IBM's AIX license unless they "settle" is hubris. My only fear is that a judge might think 80 out of 2.5 million lines of code has some significant value :-/ I sincerely hope the dialogue of practical arguments against SCO that I have seen in this list make it to the right people in defense of IBM. Sincerely, Jim Capp

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TUHS June 2003