On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:13:28 -0600
> Michael Parson <mparson(a)bl.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-09-30 12:53, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>>> On 2017-09-30 10:40, Michael Parson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've recently found instructions for installing SunOS 4.1.3 under
>>>> qemu-sparc that I want to try as well.
>>>
>>> Can you share a pointer to those with us?
>>
>> Sure:
>>
>> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/SunOS_4.1.4
>>
>> Oops, 4.1.4, not .3. :)
>
> So then the next question is where can one find install media (or
> image thereof...)
I bought a boxed copy of 'Solaris 1.1.2' off e-bay many moon ago,
though I've been told it can be found with the google search term of
'winworldpc'.
--
Michael Parson
Pflugerville, TX
KF5LGQ
On Sep 28, 2017 11:02 PM, "Kevin Bowling" <kevin.bowling(a)kev009.com> wrote:
What is your favorite UNIX. Three possible categories, choose one or more:
1) Free
2) Forced to use a commercial platform. I guess that could include
macOS and z/OS with some vivid imagination, maybe even NT.
3) Historical
1. FreeBSD. It's super stable and tends to be logical. The documentation is great once you get over the learning curve. Debian is a close second for the same reasons. Mint with KDE Plasma 5 is beautiful and user friendly.
2. I used Sun OS with a CDE-like interface back in the day and that was ok. Mac OS X 10.5-10.12 are great.
3. I enjoy the research versions of unix and other OSes that are available for the SimH PDP 11 emulator.
Will
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, Nemo wrote:
>>
>> Hhhmmm... This begs the historical question: When did LF replace CR/LF
>>> in UNIX?
>>>
>>
>> Unix has always used NL as the terminator :-)
>
>
> <CR><LF> was the line terminator in DEC operating systems that grew up
> around the same time as Unix. CP/M and MS-DOS inherited that from them
> since those systems were developed, in part, using cross compilers running
> on DEC gear with DEC OSes. Unix came from the Multics world where LF was
> used as the line terminator... Thankfully, neither CP/M nor MS-DOS picked
> up DEC's RMS...
>
> Warner
>
The fun story on that Warner is after years of dogged defense of RMS, when
C was written for VMS, Cutler had to add Stream I/O. The moment is was
released, much (?most?) of customer base (including a lot of internal folks
like the compiler runtime and DB folks) switched to using it. It was so
much easier. I never heard Dave back down, but it I used to smile when I
saw the statistics.
What is your favorite UNIX. Three possible categories, choose one or more:
1) Free
2) Forced to use a commercial platform. I guess that could include
macOS and z/OS with some vivid imagination, maybe even NT.
3) Historical
Me:
1) FreeBSD - I find it to generally be the least annoying desktop and
laptop experience with admittedly careful selection of hardware to
ensure compatibility. It's ideal to me for commercial appliances and
servers due to the license, tight coupling of kernel and base, and
features like ZFS, jails, and pluggable TCP stacks. Linux distros
lost their luster for me once systemd was integrated into Debian, and
that kind of culture seems to be prevailing up and down the stack in a
way that I'd prefer to be an outside observer of Linux and not
dependent on it for now.
2) AIX - I often see people disparage AIX but I like it. I learned a
lot in my teens about C, build systems, compilers, and lots of
libraries trying to port random software to it for auto-didactic
reasons. It definitely doesn't feel like any other UNIX. It probably
supports high core count and NUMA better than any other system except
Linux, it had advanced virtualization with LPARs and containers with
WPARs before most and hot patchable kernel, fully pagable kernel, lots
of rigorous kernel engineering there that didn't get a lot of fanfare.
SMIT is kind of cool as a TUI and spits out commands that you can
learn through repetition and use at the CLI or scripting. I think it
probably peaked in the early 2000s, but the memory management, volume
management, and file systems all seemed pretty forward thinking up
until then. I don't think SMP performance was a strong suite until it
was pretty much a relegated niche though.
3) IRIX - it just screams '90s cool like an acrylic sweater. Soft
real time, immense graphics support, pro audio and video features,
lots of interesting commercial software, NUMA, supercomputers. I
enjoy tinkering on this still, but a lot of that is due to the neat
hardware.
Regards,
Kevin
