> From: "Jeremy C. Reed"
> I don't know the key for "v" but maybe means "very distant host"
and look at the MIT-44 IMP (upper right center). It's listed as having a
PDP-11, with the /v, and that machine (LL-ASG, 1/44) was definitely on a VDH
(it was not in Tech Sq). (A VDH was basically an IMP modem interface
hardware-wise, but made to look like a host at a high level within the IMP
> He also told me the Unix v6 Arpanet code was from San Diego.
Err, he may have gotten it from San Diego, but they didn't write the code, it
was written at UIll. See:
which contains a copy of the code, which came to me via NOSC in SD.
I did hear back from Lou Katz - user #1. Indeed the first version that escaped the labs was the 4th edition.
Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Clem cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
> Interesting. If O'Malley had a connection wonder what it was connected too on both sides. It had to be to lbl but the Vdh was a piece of shit even in the ingvax days. The first version was even worse. On the ucb side I wonder. It would not have been Unix because UofI did the original arpanet code and that was for v6. There was never a pdp10 at ucb so I wonder if it was one of the CDC machines which were the primary systems until Unix came to be.
> Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Jeremy C. Reed <reed(a)reedmedia.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Clem Cole wrote:
>>> So it means that UCB was hacking privately without taking to Katz@ NYU, or
>>> the Columbia and Harvard folks for a while. I need to ask Lou what he
>>> remembers. UCB was not connected to the Arpanet at this point (Stanford
>>> was), so it's possible Ken's sabbatical openned up some channels that had
>>> not existed. [UCB does not get connected until ing70 gets the
>>> vdh-interface up the hill to LBL's IMP as part of the Ingress project and
>>> that was very late in the 70s - not long before I arrived].
>> Allman told me that Mike O'Malley had an ARPA connection at UCB that was
>> axed a few years before the INGRES link. So yes, I think no Arpanet
>> connection during the early BSD development work. (Losing this
>> connection may have had some controversy, but I don't know the details.)
>> Fabry told me that O'Malley used Unix for his (EECS) Artificial
>> Intelligence research projects before he discovered it (so before the
>> October 1973 Symposium).
>> RFC 402 of Oct 1972 has a ARPA network participant Michael O'Malley of
>> University of Michigan Phonetics Laboratory. Also this draft report at
>> about the ARPA speech recognition project lists M. H. O'Malley at UCB
>> and says the principle investigator from Univ. of Michigan moved to UCB.
>> (I never go ahold of him to see if had any other relevance to my BSD
I was recently asked a question that I was not sure the answer, so I
thought I would pass it to this group of folks.
What was the first edition that actually left Murray Hill and where did it
My own first encounter was the Fifth edition but I know that was later.
I'm pretty sure both Harvard and MIT had it before CMU. I'm thinking
Fourth edition went to Harvard and some other places ??NYU?? ??MIT?? Did
anything earlier than Fifth ever leave Murray Hill?
I don't think UCB or UofI got it until the Sixth edition. I believe there
was some earlier commercial site ??CU in NYC maybe?? may have been in there
also but I have no idea what version that was.
Doug do you know?
Warren any ideas?
> If Unix was written in Pascal I would've happily continued using Pascal!
Amusing in the context of Brian's piece, which essentially says if Unix
could have been written in Pascal, then Pascal wouldn't have been Pascal.