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Re: Re: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?)

by John Holden

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Dennis Ritchie wrote:- > I'm not positive about the logo on our first PDP-11. The picture of Dennis and Ken in front ASR-33's hints at a pdp11/20 logo on the console. The 11/20 I have (built 29/1/71, SN 821) has just plain 'pdp11'. The lead time on getting the machine was about 6 months. I suspect that the /20 was added as other models were in the pipeline (/05,/45). For a picture, see http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11/11_20.html > Incidentally, the machine's handbook was a wonder. Indead it was The front cover is interesting, in that it shows a table top version of the 11/20. It was quite possible to run one just with paper tape and an ASR33 with the reader/punch option. There was a similar option for the pdp8/e. The only obvious change between the first and second edition handbooks was that the latter changed the last page from a picture of a young lady in front of a machine to a table of Unibus pin assignments.

22 years, 8 months

Re: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?)

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: Dennis Ritchie <dmr(a)plan9.bell-labs.com> > Subject: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?) > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:21:40 -0400 > > I'm not positive about the logo on our first PDP-11. The text accompanying the picture "Ken and Den" somewhere on your web site says that the logo on your first PDP-11 was just "PDP-11" without the /20. > On the earliest handbook I have, the front panel photo > just shows "PDP11", though inside the handbook > it does talk about the two models (11/10 and 11/20). > Both had the same KA11 processor, but the basic > 11/10 sported 1024Kw ROM memory plus a generous > 128 words of RAM, while the 11-20 had > 4096Kw core RAM, and the ASR33 Teletype was included. > You could add more RAM to the 11/20. I fear that you have suffered a "units slip" saying 1024Kw and 4096Kw when you meant 1Kw and 4Kw respectively. > Incidentally, the machine's handbook was a wonder. > In 104 pages (each 5.25x8 inches), it described the whole > system: not only the instruction set but the theory > of the Unibus (including some logic diagrams) together with > programming specifications for the TTY, the clock, > and the paper tape reader. > > Dennis Agreed, "PDP11 Handbook Second Edition" was a really good book Occasionally I wonder if I ever had my hands on a "First Edition" and threw it away when the second edition came out. Not knowing that both the computer and the handbook would become classics. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

22 years, 8 months

[pups] PDP11/73, RD53, RX50... What are my options?

by Tobias Russell

Hi, I have a micro PDP11/73 equipped with an RD53, RX50 and a Cipher mag tape drive (untested). The machine currently boots into TSX (although I don't have usernames/passwords so no shell access). I'd like to get BSD2.11 onto the machine. What is going to be the best route? I assume that my chances of breaking through TSX security (so I can use kermit) are small, so is vtserver going to be the easiest method? Toby Tobias Russell Managing Director Russell Sharpe Limited The Tannery, Tannery Lane, Bramley, Surrey. GU5 0AJ England Tel: +44 (1483) 894158 Fax: +44 (1483) 898932 Email: toby(a)russellsharpe.com

22 years, 8 months

Re: [pups] PDP11/73, RD53, RX50... What are my options?

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Carl Lowenstein: I suppose the easiest break-in tool would be a floppy disk with a bootable RT11 on it. Or, if your goal is just to drain the machine's brain entirely and start over, which is likely the case if you want to put 2.11 on it: dig up the standalone disk diagnostic (is XXDP easily available somewhere these days?) and reformat the disk. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

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Re: [pups] PDP11/73, RD53, RX50... What are my options?

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: "Tobias Russell" <toby(a)russellsharpe.com> > To: "PDP Unix Preservation Society" <pups(a)tuhs.org> > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:38:26 +0100 > > Hi, > > I have a micro PDP11/73 equipped with an RD53, RX50 and a Cipher mag tape > drive (untested). The machine currently boots into TSX (although I don't > have usernames/passwords so no shell access). > > I'd like to get BSD2.11 onto the machine. What is going to be the best > route? I assume that my chances of breaking through TSX security (so I can > use kermit) are small, so is vtserver going to be the easiest method? I haven't done it in many years, but after you get the machine to boot into RT11 you can disable the TSX security stuff. Probably a file named "STARTF.COM" is the initial RT11 startup and it contains the command to chain to TSX. I suppose the easiest break-in tool would be a floppy disk with a bootable RT11 on it. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

22 years, 8 months

RE: [pups] PDP-9?

by Fred N. van Kempen

Unix was _developed_ on the 11/20. The first versions (up to the fourth or fifth edition or so) didn't require an MMU, and, therfore, had no protection whatsoever. Dennis... tell us the "All out?" story.. please.. :) --fred > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Horsfall [mailto:dave@horsfall.org] > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:02 AM > To: PDP Unix Preservation Society > Subject: Re: [pups] PDP-9? > > > On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Lars Buitinck wrote: > > > we all know that UNIX first ran on the PDP-7 and then on > the PDP-11/20, > > Just got back from overseas, but this doesn't seem to have > been addressed: > AFAIK, Unix never ran on the 11/20 (no MM unit); did you mean > a DEC-20? > > -- > Dave Horsfall DTM VK2KFU dave(a)esi.com.au Ph: +61 2 > 9906-3377 Fx: 9906-3468 > (Unix Guru) Pacific ESI, Unit 22, 8 Campbell St, Artarmon, > NSW 2065, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

22 years, 8 months

[pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP-9?)

by John Holden

Early editions of Unix did run on a PDP11/20, written in assembly language. There was a memory mapping option KS-11 that sat between the processor and Unibus that mapped chunks of memory. It was a DEC special, and only about a dozen were built. See http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/odd.html A hardware story'

22 years, 8 months

Re: [pups] PDP-9?

by Johnny Billquist

On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Lars Buitinck wrote: > > > we all know that UNIX first ran on the PDP-7 and then on the PDP-11/20, > > Just got back from overseas, but this doesn't seem to have been addressed: > AFAIK, Unix never ran on the 11/20 (no MM unit); did you mean a DEC-20? Um? Who said Unix used an MMU in the beginning? No, Unix never ran on a PDP-10. It was PDP-7 and then the PDP-11, and I believe it was a PDP-11/20 at the beginning. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

22 years, 8 months

Mine's older than yours

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Larry McVoy: In response to old hardware... My first machine was an Okidata CPM machine which had a color (!) monitor and a built in printer. If someone had one of these, I'd like it just for old time's sake... Well, my first computer was a Cardiac. I'm glad to say that I managed to grab one from Classic Computing a few years ago, but I don't think they have any left. If anyone knows of a source, I'd be interested to hear about it; every now and then I mention Cardiac to someone who hasn't heard of it, and they'd like to know where to get one. I still think Cardiac should be a required tool in freshman programming courses. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

22 years, 8 months

Re: TUHS digest, Vol 1 #73 - 1 msg

by Larry McVoy

In response to old hardware... My first machine was an Okidata CPM machine which had a color (!) monitor and a built in printer. If someone had one of these, I'd like it just for old time's sake... -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm

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