3 Aug
1998
3 Aug
'98
3:15 a.m.
Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> writes:
I agree that we should continue to lobby SCO, and more importantly so now
that we have a foothold. I'm just pointing out the current `reality', but
I'm sure it will change over time.
Warren
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[...] an SCO licence for 16 bit UNIX. If we
do it now, there will never be a license for 32 bit UNIX.
Excuse me, sir, I have to make a point here. The SCO license _DOES_
cover 32-bit UNIX(R), namely 32V! 32V is the first version of UNIX for 32-
bit machines aka VAXen, and it's the mother of EVERYTHING known today as
West Coast UNIX, from 3BSD to the freebies, whether for VAXen or other 32-
bit CPUs.
As I have said all along, PUPS's pre-hung-up'ness on PDP-11s has been
the source of a lot of grief for us the VAX lovers. It is the reason why
SCO's license talks so much about PDP-11s and the reason I have had so much
trouble obtaining the software I need, since everyone believes that the SCO
license is limited to 16-bit toys. Of course it is not, and in fact it is
the reason why Marshall Kirk McKusick is releasing the CD-ROMs with CSRG's
code (80% of which is 32-bit), but thanks to PUPS's pre-hung-up'ness on
PDP-11s, try to explain this to people!
Thanks Daemon the gang is finally beginning to realize that UNIX(R) runs
on more than just PDP-11s.
Sincerely,
Michael Sokolov
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From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mon
Aug 3 13:15:35 1998
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From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>
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Subject: Re: Extending the cheap SCO src license
To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:15:35 +1000 (EST)
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In article by Greg Lehey:
After
negotiating with SCO, I can safely say that they won't make System V
cheaply available for any system, yet. Heck, they wouldn't even let us have
the crippled System V for the PDP-11.
Yet. What did the situation look like for the Seventh Edition 5 years
ago? I was just saying we shouldn't accept the status quo, not that
we should go tilting at windmills.
Greg From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mon
Aug 3 13:16:57 1998
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In article by Michael Sokolov:
Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>
writes:
If having a source license was a requirement for the systems we cover,
then I'd say this was pretty reasonable.
Warren
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Hmm, I don't like the all-caps UNIX, looks
ugly. This is probably a taste
thing.
It is absolutely crucial, since it emphasizes that we are talking about
the one single system named UNIX, rather than any of its teenage "free"
clones. From Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> Mon Aug 3
13:26:16 1998
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On Sunday, 2 August 1998 at 23:14:16 -0400, Michael Sokolov wrote:
Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>
writes:
I would have a problem being a "Patriot".
Greg
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If this is the case, the "Preservation"
part of PUPS is OK, since
what we are trying to do is preserve the use of this strain of
system software.
No, no, PLEASE get rid of that "preservation" stigma. It's like a
brand
on a slave, a constant reminder of limits and constraints. Terms like
"preservation", "historical", "heritage",
"primordial", "ancient", etc. all
suggest something of purely historical value. This is EXTREMELY insulting
to those of us for whom True UNIX(R) is the ONLY multiuser operating
system.
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