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1 Mar
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4:37 a.m.
All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where
you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The
file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines.
The initial version is at http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl
but I will probably move the URL at some point.
Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept suggestions on
better or more accurate descriptions for each of the releases, also checking
of dates and other information.
Cheers,
Warren
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On Monday, 1 March 2010 at 14:37:56 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my
"Unix Tree" website, where
you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The
file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines.
Great stuff!
Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly
accept
suggestions on better or more accurate descriptions for each of the
releases, also checking of dates and other information.
I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my
machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found
reason to change the timestamps and the version?
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On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:16PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
I'm interested to see that you've put nsys
in as the Fourth Edition,
and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my
machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found
reason to change the timestamps and the version?
It's a hard one to categorise, so here is my opinion:
4th Edition, released November 1973, was the first edition with a kernel
written in C; 3rd Edition's kernel was still in assembly. The nsys kernel
has timestamps up to August 31, 1973, so it's only a few months away from
4th Edition, and nsys is a kernel written in C. Therefore, I decided to
categorise nsys under 4th Edition.
Dennis and I had an ongoing discussion about the timestamps in the original
nsys tape. He originally thought the files were dated 22 Jan, 1973. We
worked out that there was a nuxi problem in interpreting the dates, and
Jan 1973 was too early, as the C compiler at that time did not support
structs. So the August 31, 1973 timestamp for the files seems to be correct.
Anyway, I could either put it in V3 or V4, but either way it needs a long
explanation as to why it is placed there.
Cheers,
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6:49 a.m.
On Monday, 1 March 2010 at 15:21:49 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:16PM +1100, Greg
'groggy' Lehey wrote:
Yes, I thought it might be something like that.
I'm interested to see that you've put
nsys in as the Fourth Edition,
and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my
machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found
reason to change the timestamps and the version?
It's a hard one to categorise, so here is my opinion:
... Anyway, I could either put it in V3 or V4, but either
way it needs a
long explanation as to why it is placed there.
It looks to me as if you've made the right choice, but it wouldn't
harm to add your explanation to the web pages.
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5:32 a.m.
Greg 'groggy' Lehey scripsit:
I'm interested to see that you've put nsys
in as the Fourth Edition,
and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my
machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was
the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found
reason to change the timestamps and the version?
As I've pointed out before, Editions are snapshots of the manual, and
there's no particular reason to suppose that a given snapshot of the
code corresponds exactly to any one of them.
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6 Mar
2:27 p.m.
Warren Toomey a écrit :
All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my
"Unix Tree" website, where
you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The
file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines.
The initial version is at http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl
but I will probably move the URL at some point.
Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept suggestions on
better or more accurate descriptions for each of the releases, also checking
of dates and other information.
Hi,
would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the
scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ?
ex. :
http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/bin/cat/cat.c.diff?r1=1.2&r2=1.…
Regards,
Cyrille Lefevre
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10:33 p.m.
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored
diff instead of the
scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ?
I'll see what I can do :)
Warren
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Warren Toomey a écrit :
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille
Lefevre wrote:
thanks, see you.
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would it be possible to have a side-by-side
colored diff instead of the
scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ?
I'll see what I can do :)
Warren
2:14 a.m.
New subject: Unix Tree: side scrolling
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored
diff instead of the
scrollable one ?
I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you think.
My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML code,
I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should be
easy enough to try alternatives.
The URL is now officially http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree
I also want to add these other releases:
4BSD
4.1BSD which one?
4.2BSD
4.4BSD
LSX
Ultrix-32 which one?
Venix?
If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
be let out.
Thanks,
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New subject: Unix Tree: side scrolling
I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS
stuff... and maybe the soviet DEMOS stuff...?
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille
Lefevre wrote:
would it be possible to have a side-by-side
colored diff instead of the
scrollable one ?
I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you
think.
My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML
code,
I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should
be
easy enough to try alternatives.
The URL is now officially http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree
I also want to add these other releases:
4BSD
4.1BSD which one?
4.2BSD
4.4BSD
LSX
Ultrix-32 which one?
Venix?
If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
be let out.
Thanks,
Warren
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New subject: Unix Tree: side scrolling
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:30:42PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote:
I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the
wisconson one with the SUN NFS
Heh. I was at Uwisc when that work was being done. That was a pretty
cool time.
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New subject: Unix Tree: side scrolling
I also want to add these other releases:
4BSD
4.1BSD which one?
4.1c was the one that worked, right?
4.2BSD
No 4.3? That was a nice one.
4.4BSD
LSX
Ultrix-32 which one?
Venix?
If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
SysVR4.2 was never my favorite. System V in general was a poor excuse
for a Unix release. We still have SCO running here and it's pretty
close to Sys V and, well, yuck. And I speak as the guy who added
TCP/IP networking to SCO. If I had any fondness for it I'd be showing it.
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New subject: More versions in the tree (was: Unix Tree: side scrolling)
On Saturday, 6 March 2010 at 21:14:08 -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
Well, it's interesting as the first operating system with support for
TCP/IP, so I'd vote for that too.
Heh. All the more reason to have a representative of the branch, so
that people can see for themselves.
I also want to
add these other releases:
4BSD
4.1BSD which one?
4.1c was the one that worked, right? I still
seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go ...
SysVR4.2 was never my favorite. System V in general was a poor
excuse for a Unix release. We still have SCO running here and it's pretty
close to Sys V
Possibly it would look that way revisited now. It certainly didn't to
us 20 years ago. We were running, well, System V.2, and we wanted a
UNIX for our PCs. We ended up with Interactive, which was a whole lot
better than SCO.
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New subject: First TCP/IP implementation (was: Re: More versions in the tree (was: Unix Tree: side scrolling))
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:02:16 +1100
Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Wasn't the first TCP/IP implementation
done at BBN on a PDP-10 running
TOPS-10?
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4.1c was the
one that worked, right?
Well, it's interesting as the first operating system
with support for
TCP/IP, so I'd vote for that too.
8 Mar
8 Mar
1:48 a.m.
New subject: hyphen.c, was Unix Tree
As an interesting side-note, last year when we were trying to recover
the Second Edition commands source code from the s1-bits.gz DECtape image,
there was a leftover file which I labelled unknown.c.
The Unix tree now shows that V2 unknown.c is actually hyphen.c, which
reappears in System III:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V2/cmd/unknown.c
Now, does anybody know what happened to hyphen.c between mid-1972 and
mid-1980? There is a hyphen(1) V3 manual and a hyphen(6) V4 manual.
Could it have gone off towards PWB or CB UNIX or UNIX/TS?
I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or MERT :-S
Cheers,
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New subject: hyphen.c, was Unix Tree
On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Warren Toomey wrote:
I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or
MERT :-S
Absolutely! Even MERT documentation would be interesting. The other
two systems you mention are probably interesting too, except that I've
never even heard about them so I can't say.
For the record, I've posted a couple of times to the list asking
various esoteric questions about virtualization. That's why I'm
interested in MERT in particular.
-- Derek
5:59 a.m.
New subject: hyphen.c, was Unix Tree
Hey Warren, you know what they say: wish in one hand, do something
else in the other.... :-)
Speaking of wishing: any news from Mr. Ritchie on PDP-7 UNIX
fragments? We're getting closer to having our -7 running, likely
before summer here in the Other Hemisphere. BTW, do you know
anything of the whereabouts of LISP for the -7? I know it existed,
as a descendant of the PDP-1 interpreter, but I have had no luck so
far finding it. I may just write one of my own, premised on the
functionality of the -1 version, but for history's sake I'd love to
find a paper tape (or image thereof) of the original -7
implementation. Wishing in my one hand.... Cheers -- Ian
On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Warren Toomey wrote:
As an interesting side-note, last year when we were
trying to recover
the Second Edition commands source code from the s1-bits.gz DECtape
image,
there was a leftover file which I labelled unknown.c.
The Unix tree now shows that V2 unknown.c is actually hyphen.c, which
reappears in System III:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V2/cmd/unknown.c
Now, does anybody know what happened to hyphen.c between mid-1972 and
mid-1980? There is a hyphen(1) V3 manual and a hyphen(6) V4 manual.
Could it have gone off towards PWB or CB UNIX or UNIX/TS?
I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or MERT :-S
Cheers,
Warren
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New subject: Unix Tree: 4BSDs now in
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 12:14:07PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
I also want to add these other releases:
4BSD
4.1BSD which one?
4.2BSD
4.4BSD
LSX
A fair sampling of the 4BSDs and LSX are now in the Unix Tree.
I haven't put 4.3-Tahoe in, but 4.3 and 4.3-Reno are in. What do
you think, is -Tahoe different enough to be a useful addition?
Thanks,
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Warren Toomey a écrit :
If there are any other ones you'd like to see in
the tree, let me know.
Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
be let out.
Hi,
things I have :
irix 6.5.5
osf1 1.0.0
solaris 2.6
sunos 4.1.3
sunos 4.1.4
ultrix 2.0
ultrix 4.2
ultrix 4.3
usl 4.2 aka SVR4.2
most in source and binary form.
things I want :
hp-ux 9.x, 10.x and 11.x
aix 4.3 and 5.2
deal :-)
Regards,
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New subject: Unix Tree: side scrolling
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look
at it and see what you think.
My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML code,
I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should be
easy enough to try alternatives.
The URL is now officially http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree
I also want to add these other releases:
4BSD
4.1BSD which one?
4.2BSD
4.4BSD
LSX
Ultrix-32 which one?
Venix?
If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know.
Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society.
If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love
to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go
into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can
be let out.
How about addid a couple of modern FOSS Unix descendants like FreeBSD
and NetBSD and OpenSolaris. It would be great to see just how much V7
code still lives in these newer systems.
Anyway, I don't have anything new to offer except for my words of
gratitude. The source comparison feature is just plain awesome. It
makes me feel like one of those scientists who figures out family
trees by doing DNA comparisons ;)
Mike
9:05 p.m.
New subject: Unix Tree: what else?
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 08:22:01AM -0500, Michael Kerpan wrote:
How about addid a couple of modern FOSS Unix
descendants like FreeBSD
and NetBSD and OpenSolaris. It would be great to see just how much V7
code still lives in these newer systems.
Good idea. I might do a subset of OpenSolaris and FreeBSD: they are just
way too big :)
Maybe also Minix and an early Linux.
Thanks,
Warren
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I've added a better assembly parser, and a manpage/textfile parser to the
Unix Tree, and I've also imported the plaintext from the 1st Edition manuals
which Dennis Ritchie scanned in. Some interesting results:
There are still some vestiges of the 1st Edition manuals in 4.4BSD:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/manintro.txt
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ed.1
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ld.1
among others.
Cheers,
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Doesn't suprise me at all. I looked at the code when the BSD fuss
was going on and bmap() was still the same. After all those years and
all that fuss. Jolitz was right.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:43:11PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
I've added a better assembly parser, and a
manpage/textfile parser to the
Unix Tree, and I've also imported the plaintext from the 1st Edition manuals
which Dennis Ritchie scanned in. Some interesting results:
There are still some vestiges of the 1st Edition manuals in 4.4BSD:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/manintro.txt
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ed.1
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ld.1
among others.
Cheers,
Warren
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