arnold(a)skeeve.com writes: Someone tipped me off this is Montgomery's "BTL" Emacs: http://unixpc.taronga.com/STORE/EMACS+IN.gz It's a cpio archive, and the Name file says: "UNIX PC EMACS Version 4.9c 9/5/85 - from THE STORE!" No source code, unfortunately.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 1:09 PM Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) < lyndon(a)orthanc.ca&gt; wrote: IIRC there were a bunch of other charges too. It was not well thought out and was all part of what ultimately killed the core AT&T IP against the FOSS world. The harder the AT&T folks tried to force their way as the 'standard' the more allusive it became. The problem was that their monetization model for SW was broken (although to be fair this was true for a number of folks also). It was fine for some very specific things - like CAD/CAM where the higher effectiveness of an engineer / better accuracy etc.. could be measured. But the 'value' of H-D-B UUCP or KSH88 could never be directly calculated. So charging thousands of dollars just made little sense. Hey even if they had put a single 'Toolchest' source tape for say $5K they >>might<< have been able to sell it. But trying to do it piece meal and each program was hundreds to as I recall H-D-B and KS88 were close to 1K. So with the PC business where SW was priced 'high enough' so that people did not want to steal it, but you got the volume up, you could be successful - $29.99 for Turbo Pascal is probably the best example I can think. As I have reported a couple of times. When what would end up becoming the Sys III license was being negotiated ~Winter 1980 was the one time I was in a smallish meeting with Bill Gates. Gates in complete exasperation with the AT&T 'suits' looked at them and said something I have never forgotten. Bill wanted to pay no more $25/copy for UNIX period. AT&T said if the volumes made it to millions they would drop to $1000/CPU (for a then $5-7K PC/AT). Mind you AT&T had just released its 3B20 and was sure the 3B would go up against IBM and DEC and take them on -- No more 370s or Vaxen!!! Anyway, Gates shook his head and said: *"You guys don't get it. The only thing that matters in the SW business is volume. The cost of goods is zero." * He was trying to help them understand that with SW you have to eat your development cost and either make the SW completely free (FOSS model) so close to it (Microsoft/Borland) model. BTW: for this list, I suppose we should be thankful. DEC never got it. They wanted $5K/CPU for the BLISS compiler AFTER you already bought your Vax. Imagine if they had given their tools away. PS Minor ... note after 40+ years I'm only starting to be heard at work. For those that know the Intel compilers are the same DNA as the DEC compilers and a lot of the same people. It's only been in the last year we >>finally<< won that the tools are free. Yes, we charge the commercial folks for support that care. But anyone can use them. ᐧ

Le 15/09/2022 à 03:01, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) a écrit : Hi, the only toolchest I known are the one in csrg/bsd-4.4-lite2-source+1hour/local/toolchest# ll total 28K drwxr-xr-x 2 admin 41 4.0K May 23 2002 asd drwxr-xr-x 6 admin 41 4.0K May 23 2002 ksh drwxr-xr-x 5 admin 41 4.0K May 23 2002 ksh.2 drwxr-xr-x 2 admin 41 4.0K May 23 2002 mkutl drwxr-xr-x 7 admin 41 4.0K May 23 2002 nawk drwxr-xr-x 5 admin 41 4.0K May 23 2002 nmake drwxr-xr-x 7 admin 41 4.0K May 23 2002 tabs the ksh things in the toolchest is here http://cyrillelefevre.free.fr/ksh/ I've just put the toolchest as bsd-4.4-lite2-toolchest.tar.bz2 the Document Work Bench (DWB) is here http://cyrillelefevre.free.fr/dwb/ Regards, /me -- mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre-lists@laposte.net

Lars Brinkhoff &lt;lars(a)nocrew.org&gt; wrote: No. THE STORE! was an archive of binary installable packages for the Unix PC / 3B1. According to that site, AT&T ran it. You could download stuff via public UUCP. There were a lot of nice precompiled bits of software available. The SE+IN.gz is the Georgia Tech 'se' screen editor that I contributed. (See se-editor.org for a modern incarnation.) Arnold

Sadly, I do not think so - although there are things from the Toolchest in that archive. My guess is somebody was porting code to the UNIX PC and the Toolchest is where they got some of the sources. ᐧ On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 1:59 AM Lars Brinkhoff &lt;lars(a)nocrew.org&gt; wrote: