30 Jan
2022
30 Jan
'22
4:03 p.m.
Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix on the
PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's edit.
I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).
Will
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30 Jan
30 Jan
4:09 p.m.
Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source
for the s editor for unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of
Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375
line version :).
Will
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I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
Thanks,
Arnold
4:12 p.m.
Hi Arnold,
It was mentioned in the STinP edit discussion, so of course, I had to go looking!
Here's the referenced article by Fraser:
https://archive.org/details/compact-portable-crt
Will
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On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:09 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com
wrote:
Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor
source for the s editor for unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on
top of Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in
the 375 line version :).
Will
Sent from my iPhone
I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
Thanks,
Arnold
31 Jan
31 Jan
7:13 a.m.
Thanks for the link. I skimmed it and will read it later.
What struck me was the splitting of the editor into front and back ends
that did not have to be on the same machine. Rob Pike used that design
for "sam" somewhat later. I wonder if he got the idea from 's' or
came
up with it on his own... (Dough, thoughts?)
Thanks,
Arnold
Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Arnold,
It was mentioned in the STinP edit discussion, so of course, I had to go looking!
Here's the referenced article by Fraser:
https://archive.org/details/compact-portable-crt
Will
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:09 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
>
> Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix
on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's
edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).
>>
>> Will
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arnold
7:21 a.m.
arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
Thanks for the link. I skimmed it and will read it
later.
What struck me was the splitting of the editor into front and back ends
that did not have to be on the same machine. Rob Pike used that design
for "sam" somewhat later. I wonder if he got the idea from 's' or
came
up with it on his own... (Dough, thoughts?)
Typo (embarassment). Should be "Doug, thoughts?". Sigh.
Thanks,
Arnold
Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Arnold,
>
> It was mentioned in the STinP edit discussion, so of course, I had to go looking!
Here's the referenced article by Fraser:
>
> https://archive.org/details/compact-portable-crt
>
> Will
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:09 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
> >
> > Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for
unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's
edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).
> >>
> >> Will
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Arnold
8:22 p.m.
The splitting you talk about came about because of the Blit, one part
of a program running on the host, the 'graphical' part on the terminal,
i.e., the Blit; the two parts communicated with a simple protocol, an
example of which you can see in 'sam'. 'Cip', 'proof',
'jim', 'sam' and
'pi' (really, 'pads'), followed this model. It wasn't necessary I
think
with all programs, and I'm sure 'icon', the bitmap editor, didn't.
If you look in the various Blit/Jerq source directories in the distributions
you will see programs with a 'host' and 'term' subdirectory.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:18 PM <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
Thanks for the link. I skimmed it and will read it
later.
What struck me was the splitting of the editor into front and back ends
that did not have to be on the same machine. Rob Pike used that design
for "sam" somewhat later. I wonder if he got the idea from 's' or
came
up with it on his own... (Dough, thoughts?)
Thanks,
Arnold
Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Arnold,
It was mentioned in the STinP edit discussion, so of course, I had to go
looking!
Here's the referenced article by Fraser:
https://archive.org/details/compact-portable-crt
Will
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:09 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
>
> Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for
unix on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of
Software Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the
375
line version :).
>>
>> Will
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> I've never heard of this. Can you give some background please?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arnold
30 Jan
30 Jan
5:02 p.m.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:03 AM Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source
for the s editor for unix
on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software
Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line
version :).
I'm not sure they are the same editor. The C program called s is part of
Webb Miller's Software Tools Sampler and it's a full editor, not a front
end [see: Webb Miller's S Tiny VI editor <https://github.com/udo-munk/s>
]. By design, it is mostly vi compatible. This paper from Chris Feazer
seems to be a front end for SWT editor, and was original done on the PDP-10
[which makes sense] and seems to be contemporary to the vi work at UCB and
in fact called back to the SWT editor (which was >>modeled<< on UNIX ed),
as opposed to ex/vi which are extensions to the v6 implementation of the
UNIX ed editor.
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