On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 08:44:02PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: I dunno. That 1985 map has uwisc in there and I know from being there that they were in because they were doing a lot of useful work, there was the uwisc-bsd+NFS release, there was the uwisc bsd port to the IBM rt, I watched Joe Moran do a port of BSD to a 68K in a couple of days (literally, he stayed up for 2 days and got it to work), uwisc was the shit back in the day. I'm not bragging because of me, I was nobody, but a lot of somebodies came out of uwisc. Most of them went to Sun. Joe went on to do the SunOS 4.x VM system which to this day I have not seen a better one. So maybe they weren't the 11th IMP on the net. I dunno, I do know that someone told me that. I do know that prior to the net there was uucp and ....!uwisc was a useful prefix like ...!rutgers and ...!ucbvax. I think they were in the mix. 11th? Dunno, just what I've been told. --lm