17 Mar
2003
17 Mar
'03
7:18 p.m.
Hi there,
I remember seeing in the Unix Archive a few years ago (back when the $100
licenses just came out and it was called PUPS Archive) some Russian Ancient
UNIX stuff, some things contributed to the UNIX community by the early Russian
UNIX users (on Soviet PDP-11s). However, I am now looking for it and cannot
find it. Would anyone have a pointer?
I am trying to russify my flagship UNIX (4.3BSD-Quasijarus) and I'm adding/
fixing 8-bit support in various parts of the system, and I got stuck on ex/vi.
The sucker just won't handle 8-bit chars. Since my job is to maintain Ancient
UNIX (my flavor thereof) rather than replace it, replacing the original ex/vi
with one of the modern reimplementations is not an option. I need to massage
8-bit support into the existing original Berkeley ex/vi with as few changes as
possible.
A friend of mine told me that Back in The Days the first UNIX users in the then
USSR were running patched (russified) 2.xBSD on Soviet PDP-11s and had KOI-8
for Russian. Since the flagship editor on <any>BSD is ex/vi, this makes me
think that those early Russian users used it and thus their patches
accomplished just what I need. And so I'm looking for those patches. TIA for
any help,
MS
18 Mar
18 Mar
12:26 a.m.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 11:18:15AM -0800, Michael Sokolov wrote:
I am trying to russify my flagship UNIX
(4.3BSD-Quasijarus) and I'm adding/
fixing 8-bit support in various parts of the system, and I got stuck on ex/vi.
The sucker just won't handle 8-bit chars. Since my job is to maintain Ancient
UNIX (my flavor thereof) rather than replace it, replacing the original ex/vi
with one of the modern reimplementations is not an option. I need to massage
8-bit support into the existing original Berkeley ex/vi with as few changes as
possible.
A friend of mine told me that Back in The Days the first UNIX users in the then
USSR were running patched (russified) 2.xBSD on Soviet PDP-11s and had KOI-8
for Russian. Since the flagship editor on <any>BSD is ex/vi, this makes me
think that those early Russian users used it and thus their patches
accomplished just what I need. And so I'm looking for those patches. TIA for
any help,
MS
I have a thing called Demos in a hidden section of the archive, which is
a modified 7th Edition (plus other things?) from Russia. I've hidden it as
the legal status is unclear :-) I'm happy to hand it out to individual
requestors, though. However, I can't find a vi(1) in there:
/usr/Hidden_PUPS/Miscfiles/Russian: du -a | grep vi
1 ./cmd/TUVWXYZ/vipw.sh,v.gz
1 ./cmd/comint/Environment/README.gz
2 ./cmd/comint/Environment/termcap.gz
2 ./cmd/comint/Environment/tuner.gz
3 ./cmd/comint/Environment/minihelp.DEMOS.gz
9 ./cmd/comint/Environment
1 ./cmd/uucp/L-devices.gz
11 ./sys/dev/RCS/video.c,v.gz
6 ./sys/dev/RCS/vikey.c,v.gz
7 ./sys/dev/video.c.gz
1 ./sys/include/video.h.gz
3 ./sys/stand/libsa/RCS/video.c,v.gz
2 ./sys/stand/libsa/video.c.gz
and a grep on `ex' gives nothing either.
Warren
12:52 a.m.
Warren Toomey wrote:
Then the following might be an option, /UnixArchive/Applications/Ritter_Vi/
"This is basically ex/vi 3.7, 6/7/85, from the 2.11BSD distribution"
"A larger addition is the ability to handle ISO character sets."
(recent development continued on <http://ex-vi.berlios.de/>)
Sven
Michael Sokolov wrote:
I'm
adding/fixing 8-bit support in various parts of the system, and
I got stuck on ex/vi.
I have a thing called Demos in a hidden section of the archive, which
is a modified 7th Edition (plus other things?) from Russia. [...]
However, I can't find a vi(1) in there 
8:12 a.m.
A friend of mine told me that Back in The Days the
first UNIX users in the
then
USSR were running patched (russified) 2.xBSD on Soviet
PDP-11s and had
KOI-8
for Russian. Since the flagship editor on
<any>BSD is ex/vi, this makes me
think that those early Russian users used it and thus their patches
Hi,
I've got a story about this, which happened in the early '80s, int the then
communist Hungary. A friend of mine worked at the university as a sysadmin,
they were using Russian and Hungarian made PDP 11 clones, and mostly 6th ed.
Unix. (Incidentally, I wish once someone wrote the history of how the
Eastern Block countries managed to clone western machines and get software
for it. I've heard a lot of fascionating stories, involving some really
genious work, which of course the Western countries didn't appreciate at all
then.)
One day, some really important and secret people come from the interior
ministry, or military, with a tape, which they wanted to transfer to an
other tape, and only the university had such a tape drive which could read
the original. Well, the sysadmins realized, that this is some important
stuff (BOFHs existed here also :-), so while one kept the officials
occupied, the other went into the machine room, and hacked the device
driver, so that the tape would secretly be copied to disk.
They started the transfer, under close supervision, so that no other tape
copies were done, and so on. When the people left, they examined what they
had. It was a Russian port of the 7th edition, only maybe a couple of years
after 7th ed. were created. So they concluded that all the COCOM and other
export control regulations weren't really effective :-)
Szabolcs
5:52 p.m.
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On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 09:12 Uhr, SZIGETI Szabolcs wrote:
Unix. (Incidentally, I wish once someone wrote the
history of how the
Eastern Block countries managed to clone western machines and get
software
for it. I've heard a lot of fascionating stories, involving some really
genious work, which of course the Western countries didn't appreciate
at all
then.)
I think the "Communications of the ACM" had some articles about
computing in the Eastern Block in June 1991.
had. It was a Russian port of the 7th edition, only
maybe a couple of
years
after 7th ed. were created. So they concluded that all the COCOM and
other
export control regulations weren't really effective :-)
Are you aware of the "KGB hackers" case in Germany? German hackers
broke into systems, downloaded all data they could get, went to East
Berlin, and sold it to the Russians. There's a nice German movie about
the whole case, called "23". I don't know if it's been synchronized to
other languages, but that movie is really worth watching. Full of
historic hardware. :-)
Regards,
Andreas
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10:54 p.m.
Andreas Krennmair wrote:
Are you aware of the "KGB hackers" case in
Germany? German hackers
broke into systems, downloaded all data they could get, went to East
Berlin, and sold it to the Russians. There's a nice German movie about
the whole case, called "23".
...just based on The Cockoo's egg from Clifford Stoll.
One might argue about the amount of truth in the movie version.
And: AFAIK nobody knows what they had found/sold exactly...
Full of historic hardware. :-)
That's another point certainly.
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Warren Toomey