Don't know the answer to your question, but last I knew the trademark (not the copyright) was transferred to The Open Group. They came up with a set of rules for what UNIX is and, as I understand it, for example, Linux is not a UNIX-like system, it is a UNIX system. (The Open Group isn't interested in implementations of the UNIX standard, only the standard itself.) Things change, and my information is a few years old. For all I know Elon Musk owns it all now. ;-) Marc On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:34 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org> wrote: -- *My new email address is mrochkind(a)gmail.com <mrochkind(a)gmail.com>*

On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:33 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org> wrote: Substantially all the assets. However, what does that mean? In this case, I think it does include copyright. Which puts, some say, the ancient Unix license grants at risk. However, I'd contend that Novell knew of the grant and did nothing, so might be barred by estoppel from asserting it at a later date. While copyright law generally doesn't work like this, were one to create a defense of copyright abuse for someone popping up years after the apparent copyright holder granted permission, a defense of estoppel would be good in this case where Novell knew, or should have known, this was going on, but did nothing to fight the fraud of granting a license w/o rights. It would depend a lot, like we found in the SCO litigation, what exactly was transferred, what the contracts say, and how any ambiguity in said contracts is adjudicated. This many years after the fact, such litigation may be tricky to undertake. At the time, though I have no reference for it, Sun bought a paid-up license from AT&T and part of that purchase included the right to distribute the source code in the way they did. This was a special deal Sun cut with AT&T. Sun also had to renegotiate scores of 3rd party contracts to include enough of the system to be viable. I recall reading this in the press, as well as hearing about it from friends at Sun. Years later, over drinks, I heard about it from Glen Weinberg who was my VP. He'd be instrumental in pulling it together. Not exactly a firsthand written source, but someone that would know... Also, though, that was over a decade ago, wine was involved, so I might be misremembering the details, but I'm sure of the main thrust... I also found: So how is it Sun is permitted to open source Unix outright while IBM is sued for more than US$5 billion in damages? Sun is mum on particulars, but it has said it licensed additional rights in a 2003 deal in which it paid SCO US$9.3 million. at https://www.zdnet.com/article/sun-poised-to-take-open-source-solaris-step/ dated in 2005. I have never, ever once heard that. There's no precedent here: It's all what the contracts say. Since Sun paid cash money (or maybe stock) to AT&T, that's a new, special contract. I don't think this is implied even a tiny bit: there's no contract that permits it. Ah, that's different... Though SCO's rights as a revenue collector, but not rights hold, were established, so it's unlikely they will... Their latest litigation isn't based on their Unix IP. So we have Berkeley Unix: V32, which formed the basis for 3BSD, had a preliminary ruling that AT&T lost its copyrights to at least V32, the Vax 7th Edition port they did, due to the fact that (a) they didn't mark the source as copyright and (b) they widely distributed it. This preliminary ruling was never made final, as the case was settled. But it was the result of a very extensive record that was established by the litigants. But, if you talk to some of the old CSRG folks, they'll tell you that frees up BSD. In addition, the settlement of the case put to bed the issue in the BSD world by AT&T explicitly licensing some files and Berkeley creating 4.4BSD-lite. So from that perspective, that bit of post PDP-11 Unix is on solid legal ground. Everything else? Apart from Lucent licensing the 8th, 9th and 10th Edition Unix permissively, there's very little. You can find the sources online, if you really want. You can study them and write commentary about them: that's black letter law on fair use. You can't, however, build a new system based on them, since a commercial use would venture outside of fair use (potentially: abandonware has never been litigated so there's a somewhat high legal risk you might be infringing on the rights. Novel copyright legal theories are a dime a dozen and rarely ultimately successful). People have worked the back channels to try to even find the right person to talk to, so far to no good effect. They were primarily interested in clearing up the legal ambiguity surrounding the Ancient Unix Licenses, but even that narrow ask has gone nowhere to date (at least publicly, I'm not privy to what might be still private). The main problem with any of this is that all the companies that took System V made changes to customize it for their hardware. That means even if OpenText is the successor of interest for the Unix Copyrights, and even if you could get someone there interested in granting a super-permissive license on all that material (putting aside for the moment what, exactly, was copyrighted and transferred) for no financial benefit for OpenText (only the risk of a counter suit from someone else who, though backroom deals not disclosed to the public, who thinks they own the rights). Even if you get through all that, none of the System V system would be opened up because the licensees of those systems also have rights to what they produced and without their permission, you would not have rights to distribute things permissively. At best, it would semi-legitimize some of the available to download tapes that one can find on the internet that purport to be verbatim copies of the source from AT&T. Though much of the later work was done by third parties and consortia, so even if AT&T successor in interest gave the nod, those other parties might not have granted AT&T the right to do this. So I'm not optimistic we'll ever see any further opening up of Ancient Unix, which is now even older than the 7th edition was when the Ancient Unix License was released. Warner