20 Apr
2018
20 Apr
'18
12:56 a.m.
Ingo wrote:
i have been working hard to reduce the number of
options of low usefulness
Ah, soothing classical Unix Musik, so rare in the cacophonous Linux era.
Doug
9:13 a.m.
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, ches(a)Cheswick.com wrote:
I've often referred to Linux as "The Windows of the Unix world".
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
Ah, soothing
classical Unix Musik, so rare in the cacophonous Linux
era.
I understand Linus is actually removing code from his kernel in the next
release. It’s a little of what it needs a lot of. 
10:44 a.m.
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Dave Horsfall wrote:
I've often referred to Linux as "The Windows
of the Unix world".
I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD
variants? Or maybe even IRIX?
Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix world".
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caóc
1:13 p.m.
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On 4/20/18 6:44 AM, Cág wrote:
Dave Horsfall wrote:
I bet you'll find that many of us use Mac OS X on Apple hardware.
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``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer
``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet(a)case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/
I've often referred to Linux as "The
Windows of the Unix world".
I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD
variants? Or maybe even IRIX? 
4 p.m.
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As a workstation, Windows.
As a server, Solaris 11.x (for the time being).
On 4/20/2018 6:44 AM, Cág wrote:
Dave Horsfall wrote:
I've often referred to Linux as "The
Windows of the Unix world".
I wonder what operating systems people on this
list use. AIX? BSD
variants? Or maybe even IRIX?
Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix world".
--
caóc
9:59 p.m.
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Cág wrote:
My mail/web server is FreeBSD (of course), which is self-firewalled; that
latter task will soon be taken over by OpenBSD (of course).
The main client is a MacBook running Sierra (the poxy thing doesn't seem
to like High Sierra), as FreeBSD for all its advantages is a piss-poor
client.
I have images of NetBSD etc lying around somewhere, to try on new boxen.
And I keep a tame Debian laptop to see what the penguins have broken on my
projects[*]...
I've
often referred to Linux as "The Windows of the Unix world".
I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD
variants? Or maybe even IRIX? Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix
world".
I was calling Linux that a fair while before OSX came along.
[*]
Just one example: it's 'stty -f ..." on most systems, but "stty
-F" on
Penguin/OS. Why?
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
23 Apr
23 Apr
6:48 p.m.
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Dave Horsfall wrote:
I have images of NetBSD etc lying around somewhere, to
try on new
boxen.
You might want to wait for 8.0, it's supposed it'll be a big release.
Just one example: it's 'stty -f ..." on
most systems, but "stty -F" on
Penguin/OS. Why?
-f/-F is a nonstandard (i.e. non-POSIX) option. BSDs have -f, GNU
Coreutils (and BusyBox, which most of the time copies GNU behaviour)
do have -F. Other Unix userlands (IRIX, HP-UX, Heirloom, Solaris(?))
don't have it at all. So, it's not a Penguin OS thing.
Cheers!
--
caóc
3:49 p.m.
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I use Linux on the desktop and Linux for my servers. Everything works
perfectly.
I used Mac for several years but drifted away for the following reasons:
1. Their hardware is the best in the business - but not at 3 times the
price!
2. The don't make 17" laptops anymore.
3. OSX is great except for each place they drifted from Unix!
4. I don't like them, essentially, being in cohorts with MS against
Linux. (They can compete with Windows in terms of quality, but they can't
compete against the Linux price.)
5. I don't like the proprietary nature of their ecosystem.
Blake McBride
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 5:44 AM, Cág <ca6c(a)bitmessage.ch> wrote:
Dave Horsfall wrote:
I've often referred to Linux as "The
Windows of the Unix world".
I wonder what operating systems people on this list use. AIX? BSD
variants? Or maybe even IRIX?
Also, OSX is "the Windows of the Unix world".
--
caóc
20 Apr
20 Apr
2:59 p.m.
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On 20 Apr 2018, at 01:56, Doug McIlroy <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
Ah, soothing classical Unix Musik, so rare in the cacophonous Linux era.
The problem is that 'rarely used options of limited usefulness' can mean two
things: options which no-one finds useful and options which only a small number of people
find very useful. It is Not Funny when people decide to remove some option which not many
people used but on which some critical bit of software you rely on turns out to depend.
I think the canonical example of that in my experience was echo -n and certain shell
scripts which may or may not have edited passwd files, in the transition from BSDoid SunOS
to SYSVoid SunOS. I remember that being very much not funny.
(Note I don't want to start a big argument about this, I just think it's a bit
more nuanced than the minimalists sometimes think.)
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