25 Sep
2020
25 Sep
'20
3:21 p.m.
From: Warner Losh
I'm pretty sure PDP-10 wasn't 1's
compliment / was 2's compliment..
Just to confirm, I pulled out my PDP-10 Hardware Reference Manual; Vol I - CPU
(EK-10/20-HR-001), and it does indeed say (pg. 1-12): "The fixed-point
arithmetic instructions use 2's complement representations to do binary
arithmetic." Selah.
Noel
25 Sep
25 Sep
3:30 p.m.
New subject: One's complement (was: reviving a bit of WWB)
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:22 AM Noel Chiappa <jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
Back in school, we had our machine organization course. When we learned
about 1's complement, the professor said "I've used a lot of machines that
had this. You will likely never see one with it. There are no operational
machines on campus with that." It stuck with me. We had a TOPS-20
machine... the odd turn of phrase was due to a professor that had a board
of unknown origin hanging on the wall that was a rumored to be a CDC or
similar... ah, the mid 80s...
Warner
From: Warner
Losh
I'm pretty sure PDP-10 wasn't 1's
compliment / was 2's compliment..
Just to confirm, I pulled out my PDP-10 Hardware Reference Manual; Vol I -
CPU
(EK-10/20-HR-001), and it does indeed say (pg. 1-12): "The fixed-point
arithmetic instructions use 2's complement representations to do binary
arithmetic." Selah.
4:10 p.m.
New subject: One's complement (was: reviving a bit of WWB)
The DECSystem20 (and the PDP-10 before) were 36 bit two's complement
machines. You had to go back to the PDP-1 if you want one's complement
in the DEC line. The CDCs and UNIVACs were the only ones that were
still kicking around in my era.
Warner
Just to confirm, I pulled out my PDP-10 Hardware Reference Manual; Vol
I - CPU
(EK-10/20-HR-001), and it does indeed say (pg. 1-12): "The fixed-point
arithmetic instructions use 2's complement representations to do
binary
arithmetic." Selah.
Back in school, we had our machine organization course. When we learned
about 1's complement, the professor said "I've used a lot of machines
that had this. You will likely never see one with it. There are no
operational machines on campus with that."It stuck with me. We had a
TOPS-20 machine... the odd turn of phrase was due to a professor that
had a board of unknown origin hanging on the wall that was a rumored to
be a CDC or similar... ah, the mid 80s...
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