6 Jun
2022
6 Jun
'22
1:40 a.m.
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix Archive at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
Cheers, Warren
6 Jun
6 Jun
2:15 a.m.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 7:40 PM Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix Archive
at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
Shiny. New things to read... never thought we'd see this...
Must resist the urge to ask about boot tapes. :)
Warner
9:19 a.m.
Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 7:40 PM Warren Toomey via TUHS
<tuhs(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
I wish I'd been able to get a source tape at the time. I might could
have, but how I was I to know? :-(
I suspect that machine readable media for this simply doesn't exist
anymore, more's the pity.
Arnold
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix
Archive at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
Shiny. New things to read... never thought we'd see this...
Must resist the urge to ask about boot tapes. :)
Warner
> 
2:26 a.m.
These look like a treasure trove. Gonna read all of this.
On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 11:40:42AM +1000, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix Archive
at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
Cheers, Warren
--
---
Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
9:20 a.m.
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
These look like a treasure trove. Gonna read all of
this.
There's a lot of stuff there that's familiar, straight from V7.
But yes, there's also a lot of stuff that's unique to USG Unix of the time.
Arnold
On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 11:40:42AM +1000, Warren
Toomey via TUHS wrote:
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix
Archive at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
Cheers, Warren
--
---
Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm 
7 Jun
7 Jun
4:57 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 5:20 AM <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
There's a lot of stuff there that's
familiar, straight from V7.
But yes, there's also a lot of stuff that's unique to USG Unix of the time.
As a non-insider, here's what I see that's unfamiliar:
In Volume 1:
- -mv macros for viewgraphs and slides
- the *full* C reference manual (oopsie!) without the "late K&R"
addendum
- make(1) with E.G. Bradford's changes
- the sdb(1) debugger
In Volume 2:
- an SCCS front end (not the same as the BSD one)
- a bunch of graphics commands
- ged(1g), a graphics editor
- stat, tools for analyzing data
- vpm, the Virtual Protocol Machine for outboard comms
- Unix RJE
- Stand-Alone I/O Library for bare-metal programs
- Equipment Test Package
7:32 p.m.
At 2022-06-07T12:57:59-0400, John Cowan wrote:
As a non-insider, here's what I see that's
unfamiliar:
In Volume 1:
[...]
- the *full* C reference manual (oopsie!) without
the "late K&R" addendum
By that addendum do you mean the "Recent Changes to C" 1-page memo dated
1978-11-15 that appears with some copies of Seventh Edition Unix
documentation?
For those who don't have it handy, it documents structure assignment and
introduces enum types.
Or is there another piece of samizdat I should keep an eye out for? :)
Regards,
Branden
9 Jun
9 Jun
10:19 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 07, 2022 at 02:32:33PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
By that addendum do you mean the "Recent Changes to C" 1-page memo dated
1978-11-15 that appears with some copies of Seventh Edition Unix
documentation?
For those who don't have it handy, it documents structure assignment and
introduces enum types.
Or is there another piece of samizdat I should keep an eye out for? :)
Have a look here: https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/cchanges.pdf
DF
6 Jun
6 Jun
6:21 a.m.
At 2022-06-06T11:40:42+1000, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix Archive
at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt
Gilmore.
Thank you all very much for this. As an amateur *roff historian I think
among the other treasures here is a January 1981 addendum to Ossanna's
1976 Nroff/Troff User's Manual. This would be _after_ Kernighan's
rewrite of the code to become device-independent troff. Indeed, the
only troff (cf. nroff) device documented as supported is "Wang
Laboratories' C/A/T phototypesetter". Not the Linotron, not the
Autologic, not the Imagen.
This is the earliest attestation of device-independent troff I'm aware
of, and moreover it's _documentary of the system_. Great stuff!
(I've effused about this on the groff list already.)
Regards,
Branden
9:26 a.m.
"G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
At 2022-06-06T11:40:42+1000, Warren Toomey via TUHS
wrote:
If you look at the second page of the table of contents doc, you'll
see that it was set on an Autologic APS-5, so you're right, this
is after BWK's work.
Arnold
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix
Archive at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt
Gilmore.
Thank you all very much for this. As an amateur *roff historian I think
among the other treasures here is a January 1981 addendum to Ossanna's
1976 Nroff/Troff User's Manual. This would be _after_ Kernighan's
rewrite of the code to become device-independent troff. Indeed, the
only troff (cf. nroff) device documented as supported is "Wang
Laboratories' C/A/T phototypesetter". Not the Linotron, not the
Autologic, not the Imagen. 
10 Jun
10 Jun
6:47 a.m.
Hi Warren,
Thank you for the amazing Unix documetation.
Do you know if there is a source code for SCCS anywhere on the net?
Ed Bradford
On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 8:40 PM Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix Archive
at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
Cheers, Warren
--
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
Cicero
7:31 a.m.
New subject: Source code for SCCS (was Re: Re: Documentation for Unix 4.0)
The GNU project has CSSC, which is an SCCS clone.
HTH,
Arnold
Ed Bradford <egbegb2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Warren,
Thank you for the amazing Unix documetation.
Do you know if there is a source code for SCCS anywhere on the net?
Ed Bradford
On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 8:40 PM Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix
Archive at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
Cheers, Warren
--
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
Cicero 
8:38 a.m.
New subject: Source code for SCCS (was Re: Re: Documentation for Unix 4.0)
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 01:31:48AM -0600, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
The GNU project has CSSC, which is an SCCS clone.
I had a look what SCCS. I know it now, found CSSC, but also
http://sccs.sourceforge.net/ and that Wikipedia points me to
https://publications.opengroup.org/ as the official repository,
where I don't find anything about SCCS.
Matthias
--
When You Find Out Your Normal Daily Lifestyle Is Called Quarantine
10:03 a.m.
New subject: Source code for SCCS (was Re: Re: Documentation for Unix 4.0)
Matthias Bruestle <m(a)mbsks.franken.de> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 01:31:48AM -0600,
arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
That is what you're looking for, the source to SCCS.
The GNU project has CSSC, which is an SCCS clone.
I had a look what SCCS. I know it now, found CSSC, but also
http://sccs.sourceforge.net/ and that Wikipedia points me to
https://publications.opengroup.org/ as the official repository,
where I don't find anything about SCCS.
That site has the POSIX standards which describe how SCCS is
supposed to work, not the source code for it.
HTH,
Arnold
15 Jun
15 Jun
5:32 a.m.
New subject: Source code for SCCS (was Re: Re: Documentation for Unix 4.0)
https://publications.opengroup.org/
as the official repository,
where I don't find anything about SCCS
Pubs.OpenGroup links to their unix.org
site, which amongst others includes
the Commands & Utilities std, though not the code, which may include SCCS
(I didn't check further):
https://unix.org/version4/xcu_contents.html
If the SCCS commands are standardised there, I expect (hope?) the file
format is also specified in one of those docs, for file interchange
compatibility.
(Ongoing maintenance is handled by the Austin Group, also linked from there)
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 18:04 , <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
Matthias Bruestle <m(a)mbsks.franken.de> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 01:31:48AM -0600,
arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
That is what you're looking for, the source to SCCS.
The GNU project has CSSC, which is an SCCS clone.
I had a look what SCCS. I know it now, found CSSC, but also
http://sccs.sourceforge.net/ and that Wikipedia points me to
https://publications.opengroup.org/ as the official repository,
where I don't find anything about SCCS.
That site has the POSIX standards which describe how SCCS is
supposed to work, not the source code for it.
HTH,
Arnold
10 Jun
10 Jun
2:22 p.m.
The original Marc Rochchild/John Mashey and team code from PWB 1.0 can be
found: http://tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/USDL/spencer_pwb.tar.gz
In the directory: sys/source/sccs4
The man pages are in the same archive but mixed with the rest of the
commands in usr/man/man*
That said, there is Gnu version of same written C++ if IIRC:
https://www.gnu.org/software/cssc/
And there's more ... but I'll Larry offer details here other than point out
his: http://www.bitmover.com/bitsccs/ [which is of BitKeeper] is a
more modern implementation still]
ᐧ
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:48 AM Ed Bradford <egbegb2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Warren,
Thank you for the amazing Unix documetation.
Do you know if there is a source code for SCCS anywhere on the net?
Ed Bradford
On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 8:40 PM Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
wrote:
Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix
Archive at:
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
Cheers, Warren
--
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
Cicero
7:24 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 10:23 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
That said, there is Gnu version of same written C++ if IIRC:
... which stands for Compatibly Stupid Source Control.
And there's more ...
In particular, the Heirloom Toolkit at <
https://sourceforge.net/projects/heirloom/> contains the Solaris version of
SCCS, and SRC source control <http://www.catb.org/~esr/src/> provides a
modern-style front-end over either RCS or SCCS; it is designed for
maintaining single files, possibly in the same directory, without
entangling their versioning.
11 Jun
11 Jun
4:34 a.m.
Thank you, Clem. You link didn't work but the other information on cssc
worked fine.
Ed
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 9:23 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
The original Marc Rochchild/John Mashey and team code
from PWB 1.0 can be
found: http://tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/USDL/spencer_pwb.tar.gz
In the directory: sys/source/sccs4
The man pages are in the same archive but mixed with the rest of the
commands in usr/man/man*
That said, there is Gnu version of same written C++ if IIRC:
https://www.gnu.org/software/cssc/
And there's more ... but I'll Larry offer details here other than point
out his: http://www.bitmover.com/bitsccs/ [which is of BitKeeper] is a
more modern implementation still]
ᐧ
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:48 AM Ed Bradford <egbegb2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> Thank you for the amazing Unix documetation.
> Do you know if there is a source code for SCCS anywhere on the net?
>
> Ed Bradford
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 8:40 PM Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix Archive at:
>> https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
>>
>> This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
>> documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt Gilmore.
>>
>> Cheers, Warren
>>
>
>
> --
> Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
> Cicero
>
>
--
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
Cicero
2:43 p.m.
Your welcome. What do you mean by the first link did not work. It’s a
tarball that has to be decoded and then look inside for the original code.
It’s there. I just tried it.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:35 AM Ed Bradford <egbegb2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Clem. You link didn't work but the
other information on cssc
worked fine.
Ed
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 9:23 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
The original Marc Rochchild/John Mashey and team
code from PWB 1.0 can be
found: http://tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/USDL/spencer_pwb.tar.gz
In the directory: sys/source/sccs4
The man pages are in the same archive but mixed with the rest of the
commands in usr/man/man*
That said, there is Gnu version of same written C++ if IIRC:
https://www.gnu.org/software/cssc/
And there's more ... but I'll Larry offer details here other than point
out his: http://www.bitmover.com/bitsccs/ [which is of BitKeeper] is a
more modern implementation still]
ᐧ
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:48 AM Ed Bradford <egbegb2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> Thank you for the amazing Unix documetation.
> Do you know if there is a source code for SCCS anywhere on the net?
>
> Ed Bradford
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 8:40 PM Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix Archive at:
>> https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
>>
>> This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
>> documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt
>> Gilmore.
>>
>> Cheers, Warren
>>
>
>
> --
> Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
> Cicero
>
>
--
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
Cicero
--
12 Jun
12 Jun
5:45 a.m.
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On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 9:44 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Your welcome. What do you mean by the first link did
not work. It’s a
tarball that has to be decoded and then look inside for the original code.
It’s there. I just tried it.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:35 AM Ed Bradford <egbegb2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
Cicero
Thank you, Clem. You link didn't work but
the other information on cssc
worked fine.
Ed
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 9:23 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
The original Marc Rochchild/John Mashey and team
code from PWB 1.0 can
be found: http://tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/USDL/spencer_pwb.tar.gz
In the directory: sys/source/sccs4
The man pages are in the same archive but mixed with the rest of the
commands in usr/man/man*
That said, there is Gnu version of same written C++ if IIRC:
https://www.gnu.org/software/cssc/
And there's more ... but I'll Larry offer details here other than point
out his: http://www.bitmover.com/bitsccs/ [which is of BitKeeper] is a
more modern implementation still]
ᐧ
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:48 AM Ed Bradford <egbegb2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> Thank you for the amazing Unix documetation.
> Do you know if there is a source code for SCCS anywhere on the net?
>
> Ed Bradford
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 8:40 PM Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, we have a new addition to the Unix Archive at:
>> https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/
>>
>> This is the documentation for Unix 4.0 which preceded System V. The
>> documents were provided by Arnold Robbins and scanned in by Matt
>> Gilmore.
>>
>> Cheers, Warren
>>
>
>
> --
> Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
> Cicero
>
>
--
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.
Cicero
-- 
6:41 a.m.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:35 AM Ed Bradford <[2]egbegb2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Clem. You link didn't work but the
other information on cssc
worked fine.
All, it turns out that this was my fault. I'd moved the A record for
www.tuhs.org over to the new IP address, but I hadn't moved the A record
for tuhs.org over to that new IP address.
I've just done so, but it will take a while for the DNS records to proagate.
Apologies!
Warren
13 Jun
13 Jun
1:18 p.m.
On 6/11/2022 11:41 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
All, it turns out that this was my fault. I'd
moved the A record for
www.tuhs.org over to the new IP address, but I hadn't moved the A record
for tuhs.org over to that new IP address.
Maybe make www.tuhs.org a CNAME for
tuhs.org?
--Jay
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