20 Feb
2017
20 Feb
'17
6:14 a.m.
I dont know if it's worth even trying to find and mirror pre 1993 ( IE when cheap
CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU software?
Things like binutils, gas, and GCC can be tremendously useful, along with binaries for
long "dead" platforms?
I know that I've always been super thankful of the GNAT people for having some
pre-compiled version of the ADA translator which would also include GCC. Sometimes having
some kind of native toolset is a big positive, when you don't have anything,
especially earlier versions that have issues cross or Canadian cross compiling.
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
20 Feb
20 Feb
6:50 a.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +0800, Jason Stevens wrote:
I dont know if it's worth even trying to find
and mirror pre 1993 ( IE
when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU software?
I'm happy to accept CD images of GNU stuff, but "GNU's not Unix" so
it
may not be put into the Unix Archive.
We do need a GNU historian and curator. Ditto for Linux.
Cheers, Warren
7 a.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
I would be happy to provide hosting for pretty much anything, although
any curating activities would have to wait until I have time. I
purchased a domain "retrosbc.com" which was supposed to be for a retro
single-board computers business, not my current enthusiasm but it has
"retro" in the name and is sufficiently opaque that it can host
anything retro :) If anyone is keen to make use of this hosting to put
curated materials online, then I will provide them an account, its a
virtual server and I think anyone here would be capable of "sshing" to
it.
cheers, Nick
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +0800, Jason
Stevens wrote:
I dont know if it's worth even trying to
find and mirror pre 1993 ( IE
when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU software?
I'm happy to accept CD images of GNU stuff, but "GNU's not Unix" so
it
may not be put into the Unix Archive.
We do need a GNU historian and curator. Ditto for Linux.
Cheers, Warren
7:23 a.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
I've been on again and off again collecting stuff... What I've found I've
put on source forge since it's easier to upload binaries there. Same for Linux,
while there is an ancient Linux site, all it's mirrors are vanishing
On February 20, 2017 2:50:13 PM GMT+08:00, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +0800, Jason Stevens
wrote:
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
I dont know if it's worth even trying to
find and mirror pre 1993
( IE
when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU
software?
I'm happy to accept CD images of GNU stuff, but "GNU's not Unix" so
it
may not be put into the Unix Archive.
We do need a GNU historian and curator. Ditto for Linux.
Cheers, Warren 
9:08 a.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
There's a fair amount of stuff on ftp.gnu.org itself. The FSF
used to make tapes and CDs; perhaps they still have some laying around?
I'm not sure who to ask there, though, although I could try to find
someone.
Arnold
Jason Stevens <jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
I've been on again and off again collecting
stuff... What I've found I've put on source forge since it's easier to
upload binaries there. Same for Linux, while there is an ancient Linux site, all
it's mirrors are vanishing
On February 20, 2017 2:50:13 PM GMT+08:00, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +0800, Jason
Stevens wrote:
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. I dont know if it's worth even trying to
find and mirror pre 1993
( IE
when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU
software?
I'm happy to accept CD images of GNU stuff, but "GNU's not Unix" so
it
may not be put into the Unix Archive.
We do need a GNU historian and curator. Ditto for Linux.
Cheers, Warren
9:59 a.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
I recently found out that vim.org of all places had a copy of GCC 0.9, which was the first
public version, to support the VAX & 68020 SUN platforms of the time.
http://ftp.vim.org/languages/gcc/old-releases/gcc-1/
I built it on SIMH + 4.2BSD VAX along with the ‘gnu1988’ along with other gems like bison
1.00, flex 1.0 .. and it was a lot more unstable than I was expecting, the next oldest
version is 1.21 which adds more platforms, and some much needed stability. I know it’s
old, but it’s funny how pro SUN they were at the time.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: arnold(a)skeeve.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 5:23 PM
To: wkt(a)tuhs.org; jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com
Cc: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
There's a fair amount of stuff on ftp.gnu.org itself. The FSF
used to make tapes and CDs; perhaps they still have some laying around?
I'm not sure who to ask there, though, although I could try to find
someone.
Arnold
Jason Stevens <jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
I've been on again and off again collecting
stuff... What I've found I've put on source forge since it's easier to
upload binaries there. Same for Linux, while there is an ancient Linux site, all
it's mirrors are vanishing
On February 20, 2017 2:50:13 PM GMT+08:00, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +0800, Jason
Stevens wrote:
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. I dont know if it's worth even trying to
find and mirror pre 1993
( IE
when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU
software?
I'm happy to accept CD images of GNU stuff, but "GNU's not Unix" so
it
may not be put into the Unix Archive.
We do need a GNU historian and curator. Ditto for Linux.
Cheers, Warren
11:12 a.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
Interesting. WRT sun and vax, those were the two most popular platforms
at the time. So if you wanted to spread the Free Software gospel, it
made sense to target those platforms first.
Targetting 68020 also made a number of other vendors potentially available.
Apollo comes to mind, I'm sure there were others.
I remember bootstrapping GCC 1.0 on one of the vaxen I ran when I
was a sysadmin at Emory University. I don't think I played with anything
earlier but I don't remember.
Arnold
<jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
I recently found out that vim.org of all places had a
copy of GCC 0.9, which was the first public version, to support the VAX & 68020 SUN
platforms of the time.
http://ftp.vim.org/languages/gcc/old-releases/gcc-1/
I built it on SIMH + 4.2BSD VAX along with the ‘gnu1988’ along with other gems like bison
1.00, flex 1.0 .. and it was a lot more unstable than I was expecting, the next oldest
version is 1.21 which adds more platforms, and some much needed stability. I know it’s
old, but it’s funny how pro SUN they were at the time.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: arnold(a)skeeve.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 5:23 PM
To: wkt(a)tuhs.org; jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com
Cc: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
There's a fair amount of stuff on ftp.gnu.org itself. The FSF
used to make tapes and CDs; perhaps they still have some laying around?
I'm not sure who to ask there, though, although I could try to find
someone.
Arnold
Jason Stevens <jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
I've been on again and off again collecting
stuff... What I've found I've put on source forge since it's easier to
upload binaries there. Same for Linux, while there is an ancient Linux site, all
it's mirrors are vanishing
On February 20, 2017 2:50:13 PM GMT+08:00, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +0800, Jason
Stevens wrote:
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. I dont know if it's worth even trying to
find and mirror pre 1993
( IE
when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU
software?
I'm happy to accept CD images of GNU stuff, but "GNU's not Unix" so
it
may not be put into the Unix Archive.
We do need a GNU historian and curator. Ditto for Linux.
Cheers, Warren 
4:46 p.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
I would like to add the Software Tools to the Unix archive. As you may
remember, Brian Kernighan and P. J. Plauger wrote a book about
developing Unix-like code for non-Unix systems. We at the Lawrence
Berkeley Lab took that idea and ran with it. We eventually produced a
set of Unix utilities and a system interface that could be reproduced on
virtually any operating system. This was freely distributed and
eventually the package was put up on over 50 different
computers/systems. There was a user group of about 2000. The movement
earned one of the Usenix Flame Awards, way back when.
We have the original tapes produced at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, plus a
Pascal version, plus a version for CP/M. We would like to add these to
the Unix archive, if you think it appropriate.
Deborah
On 2/20/17 3:12 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
Interesting. WRT sun and vax, those were the two most
popular platforms
at the time. So if you wanted to spread the Free Software gospel, it
made sense to target those platforms first.
Targetting 68020 also made a number of other vendors potentially available.
Apollo comes to mind, I'm sure there were others.
I remember bootstrapping GCC 1.0 on one of the vaxen I ran when I
was a sysadmin at Emory University. I don't think I played with anything
earlier but I don't remember.
Arnold
<jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
> I recently found out that vim.org of all places had a copy of GCC 0.9, which was the
first public version, to support the VAX & 68020 SUN platforms of the time.
>
> http://ftp.vim.org/languages/gcc/old-releases/gcc-1/
>
> I built it on SIMH + 4.2BSD VAX along with the ‘gnu1988’ along with other gems like
bison 1.00, flex 1.0 .. and it was a lot more unstable than I was expecting, the next
oldest version is 1.21 which adds more platforms, and some much needed stability. I know
it’s old, but it’s funny how pro SUN they were at the time.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: arnold(a)skeeve.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 5:23 PM
> To: wkt(a)tuhs.org; jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com
> Cc: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
>
> There's a fair amount of stuff on ftp.gnu.org itself. The FSF
> used to make tapes and CDs; perhaps they still have some laying around?
>
> I'm not sure who to ask there, though, although I could try to find
> someone.
>
> Arnold
>
> Jason Stevens <jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been on again and off again collecting stuff... What I've found
I've put on source forge since it's easier to upload binaries there. Same for
Linux, while there is an ancient Linux site, all it's mirrors are vanishing
>>
>> On February 20, 2017 2:50:13 PM GMT+08:00, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +0800, Jason Stevens wrote:
>>>> I dont know if it's worth even trying to find and mirror pre
1993
>>> ( IE
>>>> when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU software?
>>> I'm happy to accept CD images of GNU stuff, but "GNU's not
Unix" so it
>>> may not be put into the Unix Archive.
>>>
>>> We do need a GNU historian and curator. Ditto for Linux.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Warren
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
6:27 p.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
Hi Debborah.
I don't know if we ever met but I certainly recognize your name
from the Software Tools work.
The original Ratfor and Pascal versions of the tools from the
Kernighan and Plauger books are already in the archive, donated
by yours truly many years ago. (They're from the tapes Addison Wesley
would sell you at the time.)
Nontheless, I think it would be WONDERFUL to have the enhanced
tools you folks did in the archives.
Please contribute them!
Arnold
P.S. I've asked before, but maybe there are more people around now...
I was involved with the Georgia Tech subsystem for Pr1me computers which
also built a very Unix like environment in an enhnaced Ratfor to run
on top of Primos. Some of the doc is archived, and I have some paper
copies, but I'd love to see that code unearthed...
I've made a very few bits that were ported to C are available under
http://github.com/arnoldrobbins, and the 'se' editor has been revived
by Thomas Cort at se-editor.org, but that's all in C.
If anyone has a tape, I might have a program that could extract
it under *nix.
Thanks!
Deborah Scherrer <dscherrer(a)solar.stanford.edu> wrote:
I would like to add the Software Tools to the Unix
archive. As you may
remember, Brian Kernighan and P. J. Plauger wrote a book about
developing Unix-like code for non-Unix systems. We at the Lawrence
Berkeley Lab took that idea and ran with it. We eventually produced a
set of Unix utilities and a system interface that could be reproduced on
virtually any operating system. This was freely distributed and
eventually the package was put up on over 50 different
computers/systems. There was a user group of about 2000. The movement
earned one of the Usenix Flame Awards, way back when.
We have the original tapes produced at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, plus a
Pascal version, plus a version for CP/M. We would like to add these to
the Unix archive, if you think it appropriate.
Deborah
6:37 p.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
I was one of the 3 primary authors of the Software Tools system (along
with Dennis Hall and Joe Sventek), and I was the founder of the users
group. (Also served a long time on the Usenix Board, was even president
for a while.) Yes, the Georgia Tech stuff was from our system. And, we
expanded extensively beyond the tape that was available with the
Kernighan/Plauger book.
I would be pleased to contribute our code to the archive. Thanks.
Deborah
On 2/20/17 10:27 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
Hi Debborah.
I don't know if we ever met but I certainly recognize your name
from the Software Tools work.
The original Ratfor and Pascal versions of the tools from the
Kernighan and Plauger books are already in the archive, donated
by yours truly many years ago. (They're from the tapes Addison Wesley
would sell you at the time.)
Nontheless, I think it would be WONDERFUL to have the enhanced
tools you folks did in the archives.
Please contribute them!
Arnold
P.S. I've asked before, but maybe there are more people around now...
I was involved with the Georgia Tech subsystem for Pr1me computers which
also built a very Unix like environment in an enhnaced Ratfor to run
on top of Primos. Some of the doc is archived, and I have some paper
copies, but I'd love to see that code unearthed...
I've made a very few bits that were ported to C are available under
http://github.com/arnoldrobbins, and the 'se' editor has been revived
by Thomas Cort at se-editor.org, but that's all in C.
If anyone has a tape, I might have a program that could extract
it under *nix.
Thanks!
Deborah Scherrer <dscherrer(a)solar.stanford.edu> wrote:
> I would like to add the Software Tools to the Unix archive. As you may
> remember, Brian Kernighan and P. J. Plauger wrote a book about
> developing Unix-like code for non-Unix systems. We at the Lawrence
> Berkeley Lab took that idea and ran with it. We eventually produced a
> set of Unix utilities and a system interface that could be reproduced on
> virtually any operating system. This was freely distributed and
> eventually the package was put up on over 50 different
> computers/systems. There was a user group of about 2000. The movement
> earned one of the Usenix Flame Awards, way back when.
>
> We have the original tapes produced at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, plus a
> Pascal version, plus a version for CP/M. We would like to add these to
> the Unix archive, if you think it appropriate.
>
> Deborah
6:56 p.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
I didn't realize the GT guys started with your stuff. I think it diverged
and there were definitely things developed at GT but I won't claim to
know who did what, since it was mature by the time I became involved
with it. It was very tuned for the Pr1mes.
In any case, please do contribute.
Thanks!
Arnold
Deborah Scherrer <dscherrer(a)solar.stanford.edu> wrote:
I was one of the 3 primary authors of the Software
Tools system (along
with Dennis Hall and Joe Sventek), and I was the founder of the users
group. (Also served a long time on the Usenix Board, was even president
for a while.) Yes, the Georgia Tech stuff was from our system. And, we
expanded extensively beyond the tape that was available with the
Kernighan/Plauger book.
I would be pleased to contribute our code to the archive. Thanks.
Deborah
On 2/20/17 10:27 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
Hi Debborah.
I don't know if we ever met but I certainly recognize your name
from the Software Tools work.
The original Ratfor and Pascal versions of the tools from the
Kernighan and Plauger books are already in the archive, donated
by yours truly many years ago. (They're from the tapes Addison Wesley
would sell you at the time.)
Nontheless, I think it would be WONDERFUL to have the enhanced
tools you folks did in the archives.
Please contribute them!
Arnold
P.S. I've asked before, but maybe there are more people around now...
I was involved with the Georgia Tech subsystem for Pr1me computers which
also built a very Unix like environment in an enhnaced Ratfor to run
on top of Primos. Some of the doc is archived, and I have some paper
copies, but I'd love to see that code unearthed...
I've made a very few bits that were ported to C are available under
http://github.com/arnoldrobbins, and the 'se' editor has been revived
by Thomas Cort at se-editor.org, but that's all in C.
If anyone has a tape, I might have a program that could extract
it under *nix.
Thanks!
Deborah Scherrer <dscherrer(a)solar.stanford.edu> wrote:
> I would like to add the Software Tools to the Unix archive. As you may
> remember, Brian Kernighan and P. J. Plauger wrote a book about
> developing Unix-like code for non-Unix systems. We at the Lawrence
> Berkeley Lab took that idea and ran with it. We eventually produced a
> set of Unix utilities and a system interface that could be reproduced on
> virtually any operating system. This was freely distributed and
> eventually the package was put up on over 50 different
> computers/systems. There was a user group of about 2000. The movement
> earned one of the Usenix Flame Awards, way back when.
>
> We have the original tapes produced at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, plus a
> Pascal version, plus a version for CP/M. We would like to add these to
> the Unix archive, if you think it appropriate.
>
> Deborah
7:46 p.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
I would love to see this? I first got a copy for the beginnings of the University of
Georgia CS department for use on a CDC minicomputer that only had FORTRAN 3.8. (CDC said
it was FORTRAN 4 but it wasn't quite.)
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 20, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Deborah Scherrer
<dscherrer(a)solar.stanford.edu> wrote:
I would like to add the Software Tools to the Unix archive. As you may remember, Brian
Kernighan and P. J. Plauger wrote a book about developing Unix-like code for non-Unix
systems. We at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab took that idea and ran with it. We eventually
produced a set of Unix utilities and a system interface that could be reproduced on
virtually any operating system. This was freely distributed and eventually the package
was put up on over 50 different computers/systems. There was a user group of about 2000.
The movement earned one of the Usenix Flame Awards, way back when.
We have the original tapes produced at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, plus a Pascal version, plus
a version for CP/M. We would like to add these to the Unix archive, if you think it
appropriate.
Deborah
On 2/20/17 3:12 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
Interesting. WRT sun and vax, those were the two most popular platforms
at the time. So if you wanted to spread the Free Software gospel, it
made sense to target those platforms first.
Targetting 68020 also made a number of other vendors potentially available.
Apollo comes to mind, I'm sure there were others.
I remember bootstrapping GCC 1.0 on one of the vaxen I ran when I
was a sysadmin at Emory University. I don't think I played with anything
earlier but I don't remember.
Arnold
<jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
> I recently found out that vim.org of all places had a copy of GCC 0.9, which was the
first public version, to support the VAX & 68020 SUN platforms of the time.
>
> http://ftp.vim.org/languages/gcc/old-releases/gcc-1/
>
> I built it on SIMH + 4.2BSD VAX along with the ‘gnu1988’ along with other gems like
bison 1.00, flex 1.0 .. and it was a lot more unstable than I was expecting, the next
oldest version is 1.21 which adds more platforms, and some much needed stability. I know
it’s old, but it’s funny how pro SUN they were at the time.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: arnold(a)skeeve.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 5:23 PM
> To: wkt(a)tuhs.org; jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com
> Cc: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
>
> There's a fair amount of stuff on ftp.gnu.org itself. The FSF
> used to make tapes and CDs; perhaps they still have some laying around?
>
> I'm not sure who to ask there, though, although I could try to find
> someone.
>
> Arnold
>
> Jason Stevens <jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been on again and off again collecting stuff... What I've found
I've put on source forge since it's easier to upload binaries there. Same for
Linux, while there is an ancient Linux site, all it's mirrors are vanishing
>>
>>> On February 20, 2017 2:50:13 PM GMT+08:00, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +0800, Jason Stevens wrote:
>>>> I dont know if it's worth even trying to find and mirror pre
1993
>>> ( IE
>>>> when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU software?
>>> I'm happy to accept CD images of GNU stuff, but "GNU's not
Unix" so it
>>> may not be put into the Unix Archive.
>>>
>>> We do need a GNU historian and curator. Ditto for Linux.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Warren
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
7:10 a.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
Jason Stevens <jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com> writes:
I dont know if it's worth even trying to find and
mirror pre 1993 ( IE
when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU software?
Things like binutils, gas, and GCC can be tremendously useful, along
with binaries for long "dead" platforms?
I have collected old version of GNU Emacs. 19.x is well covered. 18.x
less so. Noah Friedman had 16.56, and I found two releases of Emacs 17
and one I believe to be version 13!
Other historical Unix Emacsen: MicroEMACS 30 from Dave Conroy, Gosling
Emacs, Warren Montgomery/BTL/ATT/unixpc Emacs, EMACS-11 by Fred Fish.
Get these from https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/emacs-history
7:19 a.m.
New subject: Reorganising the Unix Archive? (GNU?)
Cool, hopefully one has the cuckoo's root bug!
On February 20, 2017 3:10:57 PM GMT+08:00, Lars Brinkhoff <lars(a)nocrew.org> wrote:
Jason Stevens <jsteve(a)superglobalmegacorp.com>
writes:
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
I dont know if it's worth even trying to
find and mirror pre 1993 (
IE
when cheap CD-ROM mastering was possible) GNU
software?
Things like binutils, gas, and GCC can be tremendously useful, along
with binaries for long "dead" platforms?
I have collected old version of GNU Emacs. 19.x is well covered. 18.x
less so. Noah Friedman had 16.56, and I found two releases of Emacs 17
and one I believe to be version 13!
Other historical Unix Emacsen: MicroEMACS 30 from Dave Conroy, Gosling
Emacs, Warren Montgomery/BTL/ATT/unixpc Emacs, EMACS-11 by Fred Fish.
Get these from https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/emacs-history
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